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Thank goodness. The Indian H1B folks have over run DFW. I was just told today that one of the H1B folks is going full time and the company is doing the paper w

Thank goodness. The Indian H1B folks have over run DFW. I was just told today that one of the H1B folks is going full time and the company is doing the paper work to make it happen (Green Card). It's a shame because they could have certainly hired a local person or a kid out of school but I suppose they can pay this person a pittance in comparison. H1B program needs to to be done away with. It is being gamed and no longer serves its real purpose.

marcell 9y ago
Source? I knew a lot of Googlers who were on H1B visa. Not all were Indian. Anecdotally, I know other large companies (FB, etc.) use it as well.
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- kodfodrasz 9y ago
  Large companies do this, so it must be good for the country!
  - collyw 9y ago
    Just like tax avoidance!
  - marcell 9y ago
    My point is companies like Google and FB are not a using it to hire low skill workers. Every H1B I met there was very skilled.
arcticbull 9y ago
It's clear you've never been on the employer side of an H1 petition let alone a green card, or spoken to an immigrant before. H1s cost $6000+ and are available 4 days out of the year in April, and even then you have a 33% chance of getting one. And should you get one you can't start until the new USCIS fiscal year in October. What about that makes you think they'd rather hire a foreigner? The green card burden is years and many more thousands of dollars. Those people are probably just really good. Also, your statement about H1s getting paid way less isn't usually true, they're required to be paid the prevailing wage for the job they're doing in their geographical area. Now if you're talking about body shops, well that's a totally different conversation and needs to end but if those people were sponsored directly by your employer there's some good reasons. And if your employer is using a body shop you should be mad at them not USCIS -- for this, there's plenty of other reasons to be mad at USCIS haha.
- masondixon 9y ago
  India and China have over 1bn people. Their countries are inferior to he US in so many ways. Of course they want to come here, and if there was no cap on the number, they would drive the wages down to rock bottom. They will always be cheaper than US labor. And there are other advantages like employer loyalty because they cannot easily change job, which means employers can push them very hard and they won't quit - because its complicated to shift to another employer and they have to restart their green card. I think behind all this is the feeling that the best opportunities are given to foreigners who then rise up the ranks, opportunities which could have been given to Americans. Regarding immigration in general, the left continuously argues to keep low-paid foreign workers here to the benefit of large corporates. The justifications of "all of Silicon Valley companies support foreign immigration" makes perfect sense for these companies, but not for the nation. Silicon Valley is a bubble.
  - shortsightedsid 9y ago
    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name MOTHER OF EXILES. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
    - oblio 9y ago
      That was before all the land was settled. And most likely meant for Europeans.
      - ido 9y ago
        What matter does it make if it was originally meant at Europeans rather than Indians? People also used to consider Catholics (Irish, Italians, Polish) as not white. The US is still very sparsly populated, especially for a country with so much arable land & relatively mild climate. Ever been to the Netherlands or Belgium? They are quite lovely. Both also have a population density well in excess of 10x the US's. Lots more people can fit in the country without negative effects.
kc10 9y ago
>I suppose they can pay this person a pittance in comparison. Totally false understanding of the H1B visa program. H1B employees are not cheap labor, in fact full-time H1B employees are paid on-par or more than American citizens. Employers are required, by law, to file the prevailing wages during labor certification before filing H1B visa. Employers hire full-time H1B visa holders for only one reason: they simply can't find the people. And the business would suffer if they wait to only hire citizens or green card holders. So they spend exorbitant amount of money for visa and attorney fees and wait for through the whole H1B transfer process. It's not because H1Bs are cheap!
- lgleason 9y ago
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-h-1b_us_5890d86ce4b0522c7d3d84af http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-h-1b_us_5890d86ce4...
  - kc10 9y ago
    true to certain extent..Indians and Chinese national are discriminated in the allotment of green cards due to country quota limits. The result is green card queues are backlogged for years tied to sponsoring employer. Some employees don't want to go through this whole process switching a job, leading to few employers taking "unfair advantage" of these employees. They are not offered fair wage hikes or promotions as the employer knows they are stuck in the green card queue for years. But the thing is nothing is stopping these employees from making a move to a high paying job. They are just lethargic and don't want to take a risk. Employees should not sacrifice their career goals for immigration issues. How I do know? Been there, seen that, did that. I am still waiting for my green card for the last 6 years and I expect to wait for at least another 6-8 years. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/392 https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/392 can change this. This bill has bi-partisan support and I hope it will be put for a vote.
- walshemj 9y ago
  That's the theory but in reality its gamed by employers and body shops additionally like racism if people perceive it discriminates against native born citizens then it is.
mritun 9y ago
> but I suppose they can pay this person a pittance in comparison. While I respect your opinions on H1B program because you are entitled to have one, you have evidently no idea how much an H1B is paid if you think its a "pittance" (or have a different definition of "pittance"). E.g. See http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Facebook+Inc&job=&city=SEATTLE&year=2016 http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Facebook+Inc&job=&city=SEAT... BTW, the salaries mentioned are just base (i.e. cash component). You can safely multiply the amount by 2 to arrive at yearly gross salary after stock grants and misc bonuses (e.g. joining bonus).
- raverbashing 9y ago
  Compare to http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Tata+Consultancy+Services+Limited&job=&city=SEATTLE&year=2016 http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Tata+Consultancy+Services+L...
  - kc10 9y ago
    full-time h1b employees != h1b consultants

marcell 9y ago

Source? I knew a lot of Googlers who were on H1B visa. Not all were Indian. Anecdotally, I know other large companies (FB, etc.) use it as well.

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kodfodrasz 9y ago
Large companies do this, so it must be good for the country!
- collyw 9y ago
  Just like tax avoidance!
- marcell 9y ago
  My point is companies like Google and FB are not a using it to hire low skill workers. Every H1B I met there was very skilled.

arcticbull 9y ago

It's clear you've never been on the employer side of an H1 petition let alone a green card, or spoken to an immigrant before. H1s cost $6000+ and are available 4 days out of the year in April, and even then you have a 33% chance of getting one. And should you get one you can't start until the new USCIS fiscal year in October. What about that makes you think they'd rather hire a foreigner? The green card burden is years and many more thousands of dollars. Those people are probably just really good. Also, your statement about H1s getting paid way less isn't usually true, they're required to be paid the prevailing wage for the job they're doing in their geographical area. Now if you're talking about body shops, well that's a totally different conversation and needs to end but if those people were sponsored directly by your employer there's some good reasons. And if your employer is using a body shop you should be mad at them not USCIS -- for this, there's plenty of other reasons to be mad at USCIS haha.

masondixon 9y ago
India and China have over 1bn people. Their countries are inferior to he US in so many ways. Of course they want to come here, and if there was no cap on the number, they would drive the wages down to rock bottom. They will always be cheaper than US labor. And there are other advantages like employer loyalty because they cannot easily change job, which means employers can push them very hard and they won't quit - because its complicated to shift to another employer and they have to restart their green card. I think behind all this is the feeling that the best opportunities are given to foreigners who then rise up the ranks, opportunities which could have been given to Americans. Regarding immigration in general, the left continuously argues to keep low-paid foreign workers here to the benefit of large corporates. The justifications of "all of Silicon Valley companies support foreign immigration" makes perfect sense for these companies, but not for the nation. Silicon Valley is a bubble.
- shortsightedsid 9y ago
  Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name MOTHER OF EXILES. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
  - oblio 9y ago
    That was before all the land was settled. And most likely meant for Europeans.
    - ido 9y ago
      What matter does it make if it was originally meant at Europeans rather than Indians? People also used to consider Catholics (Irish, Italians, Polish) as not white. The US is still very sparsly populated, especially for a country with so much arable land & relatively mild climate. Ever been to the Netherlands or Belgium? They are quite lovely. Both also have a population density well in excess of 10x the US's. Lots more people can fit in the country without negative effects.

kc10 9y ago

>I suppose they can pay this person a pittance in comparison. Totally false understanding of the H1B visa program. H1B employees are not cheap labor, in fact full-time H1B employees are paid on-par or more than American citizens. Employers are required, by law, to file the prevailing wages during labor certification before filing H1B visa. Employers hire full-time H1B visa holders for only one reason: they simply can't find the people. And the business would suffer if they wait to only hire citizens or green card holders. So they spend exorbitant amount of money for visa and attorney fees and wait for through the whole H1B transfer process. It's not because H1Bs are cheap!

lgleason 9y ago
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-h-1b_us_5890d86ce4b0522c7d3d84af http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-h-1b_us_5890d86ce4...
- kc10 9y ago
  true to certain extent..Indians and Chinese national are discriminated in the allotment of green cards due to country quota limits. The result is green card queues are backlogged for years tied to sponsoring employer. Some employees don't want to go through this whole process switching a job, leading to few employers taking "unfair advantage" of these employees. They are not offered fair wage hikes or promotions as the employer knows they are stuck in the green card queue for years. But the thing is nothing is stopping these employees from making a move to a high paying job. They are just lethargic and don't want to take a risk. Employees should not sacrifice their career goals for immigration issues. How I do know? Been there, seen that, did that. I am still waiting for my green card for the last 6 years and I expect to wait for at least another 6-8 years. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/392 https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/392 can change this. This bill has bi-partisan support and I hope it will be put for a vote.
walshemj 9y ago
That's the theory but in reality its gamed by employers and body shops additionally like racism if people perceive it discriminates against native born citizens then it is.

mritun 9y ago

> but I suppose they can pay this person a pittance in comparison. While I respect your opinions on H1B program because you are entitled to have one, you have evidently no idea how much an H1B is paid if you think its a "pittance" (or have a different definition of "pittance"). E.g. See http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Facebook+Inc&job=&city=SEATTLE&year=2016 http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Facebook+Inc&job=&city=SEAT... BTW, the salaries mentioned are just base (i.e. cash component). You can safely multiply the amount by 2 to arrive at yearly gross salary after stock grants and misc bonuses (e.g. joining bonus).

raverbashing 9y ago
Compare to http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Tata+Consultancy+Services+Limited&job=&city=SEATTLE&year=2016 http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Tata+Consultancy+Services+L...
- kc10 9y ago
  full-time h1b employees != h1b consultants