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Why is that sad? Intel didn't even have those chips on the roadmap until AMD punched them in the face with Ryzen. Furthermore, how about that ECC memory? Wha

by tw04 9y ago

Why is that sad? Intel didn't even have those chips on the roadmap until AMD punched them in the face with Ryzen. Furthermore, how about that ECC memory? What good are 4 memory channels if I can't actually rely on the memory? Competition is a good thing... and you can't exactly expect AMD to match every last SKU Intel has been holding back.

BoorishBears 9y ago
I keep hearing this sentiment from, what I suspect are, people rooting for the underdog that is AMD. And there's nothing wrong with that, competition for Intel is a good thing, but it's pretty naive (at least in my opinion) to think Intel doesn't plan product lines out more than a few months. I can believe Intel might change prices in response to competition, but I don't get why people are acting like Intel can magic up a chip line because "AMD finally made some competitive chips"
- NateyJay 9y ago
  The 18 core i9-7980XE is widely thought[1] to be a direct response to the 16 core Threadripper announcement. It was announced late, with much less info. It has a expected release date months later than the rest of the i9 lineup, and is using higher core count silicon that Intel has previously only ever used in Xeons. [1]http://www.anandtech.com/show/11464/intel-announces-skylakex-bringing-18core-hcc-silicon-to-consumers-for-1999/2 http://www.anandtech.com/show/11464/intel-announces-skylakex...
- swsieber 9y ago
  I could imagine them stockpiling chip designs for when they experience competition or sales pressure.
- sliken 9y ago
  I think you are right and wrong. Yes silicon pipelines take $billions and many years to go to from a new implementation to a fabricated, tested, and shipped product. Around a year for a minor revision. However Intel has significant flexibility on hitting price/performance points by tweaking enabled features (memory channels, ecc, virtualization support, accelerated crypto, etc) and of course playing with clockspeed and power. So the new x-series for instance has all the marks of a rushed product launch rebranding existing chips (the LGA20XX xeons). So things like overheating VRMs, poor heat spreader design, minimal clock headroom, and poor availability. In fact the top x-series isn't expected to ship until the end of the year. Also Intel knew Epyc was coming so while quietly shipping skylake based xeons to large cloud providers while waited for AMD to show their hand with the Epyc launch. Only after Epyc did Intel announce details on the already shipping skylake xeons. Suddenly Intel's talking about desktop chips with more than 4 cores after a decade of quad cores (Q6600 in 2007). Think that would have happened without Ryzen? I also expect sudden changes when AMD ships the the Ryzen based APUs.
sliken 9y ago
Mainly I was hoping to buy a thread ripper instead of a RYZEN 1700 (for $300) and getting more memory bandwidth. I was hoping that with AMD pushing so far on more cores that AMD would push more memory bandwidth to lower price points. I'm all for ECC, but the Ryzen ECC situation is a mess. Some boards don't mention it, some boards mention ECC, but don't differentiate between ECC dimms "working" and actually correcting errors. If ECC is your priority seems like a Xeon E3-1230 or similar is an easier decision. With that said is there a known motherboard + ryzen combination that A) works, B) is available, C) is verified to actually correct bits, and D) talks to the Linux MCE widgets to the OS can track it?
- hossbeast 9y ago
  My Asus + Ryzen build definitely does not talk MCE in a way that Linux understands https://serverfault.com/questions/858884/spontaneous-reboot-machine-check-events-amd-ryzen https://serverfault.com/questions/858884/spontaneous-reboot-...
- tw04 9y ago
  There is a list being actively managed around ECC support: http://www.overclock.net/t/1629642/ryzen-ecc-motherboards http://www.overclock.net/t/1629642/ryzen-ecc-motherboards

by tw04 9y ago

BoorishBears 9y ago

I keep hearing this sentiment from, what I suspect are, people rooting for the underdog that is AMD. And there's nothing wrong with that, competition for Intel is a good thing, but it's pretty naive (at least in my opinion) to think Intel doesn't plan product lines out more than a few months. I can believe Intel might change prices in response to competition, but I don't get why people are acting like Intel can magic up a chip line because "AMD finally made some competitive chips"

NateyJay 9y ago
The 18 core i9-7980XE is widely thought[1] to be a direct response to the 16 core Threadripper announcement. It was announced late, with much less info. It has a expected release date months later than the rest of the i9 lineup, and is using higher core count silicon that Intel has previously only ever used in Xeons. [1]http://www.anandtech.com/show/11464/intel-announces-skylakex-bringing-18core-hcc-silicon-to-consumers-for-1999/2 http://www.anandtech.com/show/11464/intel-announces-skylakex...
swsieber 9y ago
I could imagine them stockpiling chip designs for when they experience competition or sales pressure.
sliken 9y ago
I think you are right and wrong. Yes silicon pipelines take $billions and many years to go to from a new implementation to a fabricated, tested, and shipped product. Around a year for a minor revision. However Intel has significant flexibility on hitting price/performance points by tweaking enabled features (memory channels, ecc, virtualization support, accelerated crypto, etc) and of course playing with clockspeed and power. So the new x-series for instance has all the marks of a rushed product launch rebranding existing chips (the LGA20XX xeons). So things like overheating VRMs, poor heat spreader design, minimal clock headroom, and poor availability. In fact the top x-series isn't expected to ship until the end of the year. Also Intel knew Epyc was coming so while quietly shipping skylake based xeons to large cloud providers while waited for AMD to show their hand with the Epyc launch. Only after Epyc did Intel announce details on the already shipping skylake xeons. Suddenly Intel's talking about desktop chips with more than 4 cores after a decade of quad cores (Q6600 in 2007). Think that would have happened without Ryzen? I also expect sudden changes when AMD ships the the Ryzen based APUs.

sliken 9y ago

Mainly I was hoping to buy a thread ripper instead of a RYZEN 1700 (for $300) and getting more memory bandwidth. I was hoping that with AMD pushing so far on more cores that AMD would push more memory bandwidth to lower price points. I'm all for ECC, but the Ryzen ECC situation is a mess. Some boards don't mention it, some boards mention ECC, but don't differentiate between ECC dimms "working" and actually correcting errors. If ECC is your priority seems like a Xeon E3-1230 or similar is an easier decision. With that said is there a known motherboard + ryzen combination that A) works, B) is available, C) is verified to actually correct bits, and D) talks to the Linux MCE widgets to the OS can track it?

hossbeast 9y ago
My Asus + Ryzen build definitely does not talk MCE in a way that Linux understands https://serverfault.com/questions/858884/spontaneous-reboot-machine-check-events-amd-ryzen https://serverfault.com/questions/858884/spontaneous-reboot-...
tw04 9y ago
There is a list being actively managed around ECC support: http://www.overclock.net/t/1629642/ryzen-ecc-motherboards http://www.overclock.net/t/1629642/ryzen-ecc-motherboards