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Do you think the host should be allowed to treat others that way?

by wedowhatwedo 9y ago

whataretensors 9y ago
As much as I disagree with it, yes.
- burkaman 9y ago
  Why?
  - mikestew 9y ago
    I’ll take a whack at it: because in an ideal world, Ye Olde Racist Whitey’s Café would go out of business because decent white people won’t eat there, either. But we tried that experiment, and the world apparently doesn’t work that way. Which is why I support anti-discrimination laws despite being philosophically opposed to them.
    - burkaman 9y ago
      It's not that the world doesn't work that way, it's that there are enough racists to keep each other in business. Market forces can't solve this problem even in theory, because if there weren't enough racists to support each other, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. We only have these laws because it's a systemic, societal problem.
  - deleted 9y ago
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- rhcom2 9y ago
  It's been illegal in the United States since 1968.
  - cgag 9y ago
    I don't think that's under dispute.
ka4eli 9y ago
Why do you ask such a silly question? Of course this is really shit, if it's true. The point is I don't know whether this situation took place in real world or just anti-trump pr action. How do you know? Why the hell trump is in article about shitty host ?
- boinkers 9y ago
  Apparently you didn't make it to the second paragraph of the article.
- mtmail 9y ago
  What makes you think it didn't happen in the real world? The first paragraph links to an official document (PDF) by the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing. And the article is quoting the text message that woman wrote.
TallGuyShort 9y ago
While I agree they're scum, do you want to sleep in a home occupied by someone who has overwhelming hate for your race? Would you want to eat a wedding cake someone was legally forced to bake for you?
- chickenfries 9y ago
  So should we go back to white only hotels? Black folks should have to stay where they can find black hotels or black airbnb hosts?
  - TallGuyShort 9y ago
    >> So should we go back to white only hotels? Where people want to have a white only hotel today, they can still effectively have one. They just have to be slightly more careful. >> Black folks should have to stay where they can find black hotels or black airbnb hosts? Not what I said at all. I don't think blacks should have any restrictions on where they travel on the basis of their race. But if I was black and I checked into a B&B and got the distinct albeit subtle impression that the person was a racist and only accomodated me because it was too late for them to back out with legal ramifications, would I feel comfortable spending the night and eating the breakfast they prepared for me? Not remotely. I wouldn't vote yes on a ballot measure to repeal all laws against discrimination, but I'm also not entirely convinced that they have much to do with actually causing the progress that's been made for minorities.
- burkaman 9y ago
  The point of all discrimination laws is that sometimes you don't have a choice. If there was only one racist guy in America, discrimination wouldn't be illegal. Historically, it was nearly impossible for many people to find a hotel room owned by someone without overwhelming hate for their race, which is why we have laws against acting on those beliefs. While the situation has improved, there's still enough widespread discrimination that these laws are necessary. Nobody wants to sleep in a home occupied by a racist, but they also don't want to be barred from going on vacation at all.

Do you think the host should be allowed to treat others that way?

whataretensors 9y ago

As much as I disagree with it, yes.

burkaman 9y ago
Why?
- mikestew 9y ago
  I’ll take a whack at it: because in an ideal world, Ye Olde Racist Whitey’s Café would go out of business because decent white people won’t eat there, either. But we tried that experiment, and the world apparently doesn’t work that way. Which is why I support anti-discrimination laws despite being philosophically opposed to them.
  - burkaman 9y ago
    It's not that the world doesn't work that way, it's that there are enough racists to keep each other in business. Market forces can't solve this problem even in theory, because if there weren't enough racists to support each other, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. We only have these laws because it's a systemic, societal problem.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
rhcom2 9y ago
It's been illegal in the United States since 1968.
- cgag 9y ago
  I don't think that's under dispute.

ka4eli 9y ago

Why do you ask such a silly question? Of course this is really shit, if it's true. The point is I don't know whether this situation took place in real world or just anti-trump pr action. How do you know? Why the hell trump is in article about shitty host ?

boinkers 9y ago
Apparently you didn't make it to the second paragraph of the article.
mtmail 9y ago
What makes you think it didn't happen in the real world? The first paragraph links to an official document (PDF) by the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing. And the article is quoting the text message that woman wrote.

TallGuyShort 9y ago

While I agree they're scum, do you want to sleep in a home occupied by someone who has overwhelming hate for your race? Would you want to eat a wedding cake someone was legally forced to bake for you?

chickenfries 9y ago
So should we go back to white only hotels? Black folks should have to stay where they can find black hotels or black airbnb hosts?
- TallGuyShort 9y ago
  >> So should we go back to white only hotels? Where people want to have a white only hotel today, they can still effectively have one. They just have to be slightly more careful. >> Black folks should have to stay where they can find black hotels or black airbnb hosts? Not what I said at all. I don't think blacks should have any restrictions on where they travel on the basis of their race. But if I was black and I checked into a B&B and got the distinct albeit subtle impression that the person was a racist and only accomodated me because it was too late for them to back out with legal ramifications, would I feel comfortable spending the night and eating the breakfast they prepared for me? Not remotely. I wouldn't vote yes on a ballot measure to repeal all laws against discrimination, but I'm also not entirely convinced that they have much to do with actually causing the progress that's been made for minorities.
burkaman 9y ago
The point of all discrimination laws is that sometimes you don't have a choice. If there was only one racist guy in America, discrimination wouldn't be illegal. Historically, it was nearly impossible for many people to find a hotel room owned by someone without overwhelming hate for their race, which is why we have laws against acting on those beliefs. While the situation has improved, there's still enough widespread discrimination that these laws are necessary. Nobody wants to sleep in a home occupied by a racist, but they also don't want to be barred from going on vacation at all.