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How many agnostic / atheist people do you know that have four or more kids? Atheists don't genuinely seem to believe in natural selection, it's ironic.
by Danihan 9y ago
How many agnostic / atheist people do you know that have four or more kids?
Atheists don't genuinely seem to believe in natural selection, it's ironic.
- cultofmetatron 9y agoI believe this video properly elaborates on why https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXSz0bA9CiE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXSz0bA9CiE
- rukittenme 9y agoIt does not. Marriage and fertility rates are dropping across all income groups. And, in the past, it was the wealthy and educated who had more children than the poor and uneducated.
- abfan1127 9y agoatheist here, 3 kids.
- api 9y agoI was speaking of statistical averages of course. On average religious believers have more kids.
- maxerickson 9y agoWhat are you implying that a belief in natural selection requires?
- Danihan 9y agoAn understanding that natural selection is a competitive process and at least some inclination to participate in that competition.
- maxerickson 9y agoThere's nothing ironic about people not embracing your misapprehension of the idea.
- Danihan 9y agoWhat is my misapprehension exactly?
- maxerickson 9y agoThat genuine belief in the concept necessitates any action.
- Danihan 9y agoPersonally, I think genuine beliefs correlate pretty strongly with action. But I see your point.
- api 9y agoI wasn't arguing the opposite -- that people have some kind of duty to have kids. I was simply pointing out that there exists a complete void in secular philosophy and culture when it comes to this aspect of human existence. Many people turn to religion when they have kids for this reason. There's just nobody else in society and culture that acknowledges the importance of this aspect of human existence or provides any social framework for it. Another hypothesis I have is that there exists some kind of deep cognitive link between the emotional basis of religion and the emotional basis of parenting and fertility. "God the father," etc. When I hear God spoken of it is generally as a kind of idealized parent. Most religions seem to have a strong fertility cult aspect. Secular philosophy refuses to touch this. Maybe this comes from its general phobia of anything emotional, aesthetic, or "spooky." Secular philosophy has a similar reluctance to touch things like "consciousness," which gives us the bizarre spectacle of conscious beings experiencing themselves proclaiming that consciousness does not exist. Of course religion has its own denialisms and refuses to look at certain things. When we decide that we believe in a philosophical framework, generally we start discarding anything that doesn't fit neatly into it. This IMHO humanity's greatest cognitive weakness. Finding a way to short circuit this would be a path to super-intelligence.