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Which is about 4x less than what you could get working remotely for a US-based firm. It's less than my starting salary out of college, for a senior position.
by kobeya 9y ago
Which is about 4x less than what you could get working remotely for a US-based firm. It's less than my starting salary out of college, for a senior position.
- maxxxxx 9y agoMaybe I am not up to date with the latest salary trends but 200k for a remote job seems pretty hard to achieve. If you can pull that off, I'd say "Go for it!".
- kobeya 9y agoAs an all-in, benefits included number? Yes that's fully achievable.
- rukittenme 9y agoWhich employers pay that much for remote work?
- muninn_ 9y agoA lot of them? In the US as a rule of thumb you take whatever salary you're paid and 1.7/8-2.x it and that's what you're actually being paid when you take into account benefits in addition to salary. Even in the Great Lakes region you're looking st like $60-$70,000 starting salary + a great healthcare plan, 401k, bonuses, and in some instances even a pension still. Hell, even public institutions pay well in this regard.
- eropple 9y agoIf you're making $240K working remotely, you're doing considerably better than all but one person I know. Perhaps that'd be a little bit of an outlier?
- albedoa 9y agoI have to echo the other comment because I am too curious: If one can make $260k instead of $65k within this system, then what is stopping him?
- kobeya 9y agoLack of networking contacts with the kind of companies that pay such money, probably. It's not like you just push a button and get a bigger paycheck. You have to hustle to find and land the job.
- pavlov 9y agoSo you can see why the average college graduate in Finland isn't going to land a $200k/year remote job any time soon -- how would they have those networks? There are of course outliers: people who have active open source careers, etc. But for the vast majority of engineers, the prospect of a $200k remote job while staying in Finland is about as likely as becoming a professional Starcraft player.
- kobeya 9y agoWhat you call outliers I call people who did the necessary leg work.
- pavlov 9y agoBut it's not necessary in any sense of the word. You can have a very nice, balanced life in Finland as a software engineer making 4k EUR / month for a local company with steady working hours and not a lot of stress. Thanks to state-provided health and daycare services, 4k/month is a very solid wage. Or, you can try to become a $200k / year remote superstar, but what you call "leg work" is very far from the daily interactions of a Finnish college graduate. It's like deciding to become a Hollywood actor when you're just a good-looking girl in a small European town. I think you also underestimate the importance of language and co-workers. If you stay in Finland and work for a local company, most of your daily work can be carried out in native Finnish with people who live close by. Remotely working for a US company can be quite lonely (I know, I do it).
- goobynight 9y agook, so you've identified that the US isn't Finnland. Very inquisitive. Also, what place in the US, at those pay levels, is hiring a new grad for remote work?
- WWLink 9y agoWord! I know a lot of places paying a lot less than that lol. Shoot, when I graduated from college a few years ago I knew people taking up jobs at $70k/year. In programming. XD In California, in the Bay Area even! I dunno where people are getting these $200k/year jobs but I'd totally take one...
- kobeya 9y agoYou may have misread or I wasn't clear. My first job out of college was $72k. I'm now in a position to earn 3-4x that, remotely if I choose. (Less than 10 years into my career.)
- maxxxxx 9y agoDo you actually make that much money now? Or could you if you wanted to, but don't?
- doublerebel 9y agoWell I think many of us with these skills choose to try to start our own full-fledged business, because it's great for work experience and consulting is a fine fall-back. Similarly, consulting at those rates can be a smart way to bootstrap a startup as long as a balance can be found between the two. And some consultants just work at that rate for a while and then take 6 months off. So there are a few ways to "could, but don't". I'm turning down work left and right. It does take self-motivation and research to talk to the right people until there's a steady source of leads. But that's typical for any consulting.
- kahnpro 9y agoAnd specifically that San Fransico isn't Finland. I don't think the average developer in most of the US is getting $240k
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