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"performance, broad compatibility with websites" These are things which are greatly helped by having good analytics (Telemetry for the browser, analytics on yo

by gcp 9y ago

"performance, broad compatibility with websites" These are things which are greatly helped by having good analytics (Telemetry for the browser, analytics on your sites). You have to realize that to some extent these goals aren't mutually compatible. Developer resources don't appear out of thin air, even for open source software. Note how in the threads Mozilla explicitly acknowledges alternatives to GA.

lucideer 9y ago
I opt(ed) in to Firefox Telemetry for this reason (and will in future if this bug is satisfactorily fixed). I did not expect that would mean sending my data to 3rd parties I don't trust. Your comparison is a false equivalence, because it's not about telemetry vs privacy, it's about consent. If Mozilla devs adhered to the ethos of the company they took a job at they simply would not have implemented this feature.
- gcp 9y ago
  It's only a false equivalence because you just moved your goalposts from "no tracking/analytics" in the original post to consent. If Mozilla devs adhered to the ethos of the company they took a job at they simply would not have implemented this feature. It looks as when the problem was reported, this was in fact the reaction: make it respect DNT. Using GA by itself rose no red flags because Mozilla has a privacy-enforcing deal with Google about it.
  - lucideer 9y ago
    I'm not sure what you mean by moving goalposts? I was mainly just discussing my own expectations, but also, it looks like the above comment from davb that you replied to did discuss consent. > Using GA by itself rose no red flags because Mozilla has a privacy-enforcing deal with Google about it. I saw that, and I guess that legal contract may appease some people. Personally, I would rather not have to trust a company with a well-earned reputation for breaking the law when it comes to respecting users' privacy. I would rather they spent the time they invested into negotiating that contract on self-hosting instead.
- GrayShade 9y ago
  Maybe the solution is for everyone bothered by this to disable Firefox Telemetry on their computers. There's also the "submit feedback" menu option.

by gcp 9y ago

lucideer 9y ago

I opt(ed) in to Firefox Telemetry for this reason (and will in future if this bug is satisfactorily fixed). I did not expect that would mean sending my data to 3rd parties I don't trust. Your comparison is a false equivalence, because it's not about telemetry vs privacy, it's about consent. If Mozilla devs adhered to the ethos of the company they took a job at they simply would not have implemented this feature.

gcp 9y ago
It's only a false equivalence because you just moved your goalposts from "no tracking/analytics" in the original post to consent. If Mozilla devs adhered to the ethos of the company they took a job at they simply would not have implemented this feature. It looks as when the problem was reported, this was in fact the reaction: make it respect DNT. Using GA by itself rose no red flags because Mozilla has a privacy-enforcing deal with Google about it.
- lucideer 9y ago
  I'm not sure what you mean by moving goalposts? I was mainly just discussing my own expectations, but also, it looks like the above comment from davb that you replied to did discuss consent. > Using GA by itself rose no red flags because Mozilla has a privacy-enforcing deal with Google about it. I saw that, and I guess that legal contract may appease some people. Personally, I would rather not have to trust a company with a well-earned reputation for breaking the law when it comes to respecting users' privacy. I would rather they spent the time they invested into negotiating that contract on self-hosting instead.
GrayShade 9y ago
Maybe the solution is for everyone bothered by this to disable Firefox Telemetry on their computers. There's also the "submit feedback" menu option.