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Mobile hardware is a nightmare. The best thing we have to cope with it, so far, is libhybris. And I don't see things getting much better. All we have is Pyra,

Mobile hardware is a nightmare. The best thing we have to cope with it, so far, is libhybris. And I don't see things getting much better. All we have is Pyra, the incoming Neo900 and semi-closed Jollas with Sailfish.

ekianjo 9y ago
The Pyra is not going to be released anytime soon, the Neo900 is overpriced... but we do have Plasma Mobile running on a few devices.
- subway 9y ago
  The Pyra is a helluva lot closer to shipping than the Neo900. A great many of the components have seen production runs already. I'm not sure Neo900 has even figured out how competently handle their donated funds, let alone how to get a device to production. ( https://neo900.org/funds-transfer https://neo900.org/funds-transfer )
  - PopePompous 9y ago
    The neo900 is so late that it doesn't really matter at this point whether it is ever released at all. You'll have to be a pretty hardcore fan to pay about $1000 for a phone with amateur software and circa 2011 hardware specs, partially made with recycled components.
  - ekianjo 9y ago
    The Pyra s overheating problems on the sandwhiched SOC have not been resolved at all and now they are even considering adding a fan so late in dev stage. Far from finished I tell you.
    - wolfgke 9y ago
      > The Pyra s overheating problems on the sandwhiched SOC have not been resolved at all and now they are even considering adding a fan so late in dev stage. I'm watching the Pyra project very closely, but I have never heard of these problems. Can you give me a source on this?
      - ekianjo 9y ago
        I know several folks who are actively working on the Pyra prototypes in hand and who voiced the exact same concern.
    - dTal 9y ago
      The Pyra cannot thermally sustain unthrottled operation indefinitely. Neither can any modern smartphone. This isn't regarded as a problem and definitely no one is considering adding a fan (in fact the cases are slated for mass-production this month). Where did you get this idea?
      - ekianjo 9y ago
        The cases were stated for mass production a year ago already yet everything gets pushed bacl every now and then for tweaking. I would not bet on anythIng releasing in this year.
notspanishflu 9y ago
There's a "collaborative project to unify the Hardware Abstraction Layer for projects which run GNU/Linux on mobile devices with pre-installed Android" called Halium. https://halium.org/ https://halium.org/
- subway 9y ago
  Complete with the device mfg's unpatched 3.10 kernel. Thanks, but no thanks.
  - audi100quattro 9y ago
    I wouldn't write it off so easily, it makes sense as an open source alternative to google's project treble albeit with parts of android still running underneath. A stable linux HAL on a few widely used devices would make all the upstream dev easier. Even if you are stuck on an older kernel because of a blob driver, it's progress and similar to when you can't upgrade the kernel on your laptop now because nvidia haven't updated their drivers.
mmjaa 9y ago
PocketCHIP can also be turned into a cell phone, don't forget. That actually might be the most promising alternative of them all ..
enthdegree 9y ago
PostmarketOS is still in it's infancy, but has an active crowd of developers on Freenode https://github.com/postmarketOS https://github.com/postmarketOS

ekianjo 9y ago

The Pyra is not going to be released anytime soon, the Neo900 is overpriced... but we do have Plasma Mobile running on a few devices.

subway 9y ago
The Pyra is a helluva lot closer to shipping than the Neo900. A great many of the components have seen production runs already. I'm not sure Neo900 has even figured out how competently handle their donated funds, let alone how to get a device to production. ( https://neo900.org/funds-transfer https://neo900.org/funds-transfer )
- PopePompous 9y ago
  The neo900 is so late that it doesn't really matter at this point whether it is ever released at all. You'll have to be a pretty hardcore fan to pay about $1000 for a phone with amateur software and circa 2011 hardware specs, partially made with recycled components.
- ekianjo 9y ago
  The Pyra s overheating problems on the sandwhiched SOC have not been resolved at all and now they are even considering adding a fan so late in dev stage. Far from finished I tell you.
  - wolfgke 9y ago
    > The Pyra s overheating problems on the sandwhiched SOC have not been resolved at all and now they are even considering adding a fan so late in dev stage. I'm watching the Pyra project very closely, but I have never heard of these problems. Can you give me a source on this?
    - ekianjo 9y ago
      I know several folks who are actively working on the Pyra prototypes in hand and who voiced the exact same concern.
  - dTal 9y ago
    The Pyra cannot thermally sustain unthrottled operation indefinitely. Neither can any modern smartphone. This isn't regarded as a problem and definitely no one is considering adding a fan (in fact the cases are slated for mass-production this month). Where did you get this idea?
    - ekianjo 9y ago
      The cases were stated for mass production a year ago already yet everything gets pushed bacl every now and then for tweaking. I would not bet on anythIng releasing in this year.

notspanishflu 9y ago

There's a "collaborative project to unify the Hardware Abstraction Layer for projects which run GNU/Linux on mobile devices with pre-installed Android" called Halium. https://halium.org/ https://halium.org/

subway 9y ago
Complete with the device mfg's unpatched 3.10 kernel. Thanks, but no thanks.
- audi100quattro 9y ago
  I wouldn't write it off so easily, it makes sense as an open source alternative to google's project treble albeit with parts of android still running underneath. A stable linux HAL on a few widely used devices would make all the upstream dev easier. Even if you are stuck on an older kernel because of a blob driver, it's progress and similar to when you can't upgrade the kernel on your laptop now because nvidia haven't updated their drivers.

mmjaa 9y ago

PocketCHIP can also be turned into a cell phone, don't forget. That actually might be the most promising alternative of them all ..

enthdegree 9y ago

PostmarketOS is still in it's infancy, but has an active crowd of developers on Freenode https://github.com/postmarketOS https://github.com/postmarketOS