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> And bitch all you want about "western medicine", but if you have a heart attack, or need a kidney transplant, or break a bone - you're probably going to choos

> And bitch all you want about "western medicine", but if you have a heart attack, or need a kidney transplant, or break a bone - you're probably going to choose the western system. I always find it weird that people can't see alternative medicine is only used by advocates on problems than tend to come and go by themselves or are susceptible to placebo effect but any time something serious comes up like the problems you mentioned, people will turn to real scientifically backed techniques. Acupuncturist and chiropractors for example claim to treat much, much more than just back pain as well.

DanBC 9y ago
You're pretty sniffy about the effects of long term pain which can be debilitating, even life threatening. Some people who die by suicide were in long term pain. And here's a large, we'll run, study showing acupuncture is more effective than sham accupuncture https://discover.dc.nihr.ac.uk/portal/article/4000672/acupuncture-shown-to-have-benefits-for-treatment-of-some-chronic-pain?utm_content=buffered7fb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://discover.dc.nihr.ac.uk/portal/article/4000672/acupun...
- matwood 9y ago
  > And here's a large, we'll run, study showing acupuncture is more effective than sham accupuncture And still not clinically significant.
  - DanBC 9y ago
    No, that's wrong. Read the linked page, acupuncture shows a statistically significant difference to sham acupuncture or to nothing.
- pavel_lishin 9y ago
  > And here's a large, we'll run, study showing acupuncture is more effective than sham accupuncture For headaches: > Acupuncture is currently recommended for the prevention of chronic headaches, but not for musculoskeletal pain or osteoarthritis pain.
  - DanBC 9y ago
    That's the current recommendation. This research shows benefit to musculoskeletal pain. This research will influence future guidance, and the recommendation is that acupuncture is cost-effective, safe, more effective than placebo, provides better quality of life improvements than usual care, and that acupuncture should be available to people with some types of long term pain (including musculo-skeletal). The first paragraph: > This NIHR-funded systematic review shows that acupuncture is better than usual care and sham acupuncture for pain from musculoskeletal conditions, knee osteoarthritis and chronic headache.
- seanwilson 9y ago
  > You're pretty sniffy about the effects of long term pain which can be debilitating, even life threatening. Some people who die by suicide were in long term pain. Obviously I think long term pain should be taken seriously but I would prefer people used existing scientifically backed treatments instead of promoting pseudoscience which definitively does lead to deaths (e.g. see the anti vaccination movement).

DanBC 9y ago

You're pretty sniffy about the effects of long term pain which can be debilitating, even life threatening. Some people who die by suicide were in long term pain. And here's a large, we'll run, study showing acupuncture is more effective than sham accupuncture https://discover.dc.nihr.ac.uk/portal/article/4000672/acupuncture-shown-to-have-benefits-for-treatment-of-some-chronic-pain?utm_content=buffered7fb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://discover.dc.nihr.ac.uk/portal/article/4000672/acupun...

matwood 9y ago
> And here's a large, we'll run, study showing acupuncture is more effective than sham accupuncture And still not clinically significant.
- DanBC 9y ago
  No, that's wrong. Read the linked page, acupuncture shows a statistically significant difference to sham acupuncture or to nothing.
pavel_lishin 9y ago
> And here's a large, we'll run, study showing acupuncture is more effective than sham accupuncture For headaches: > Acupuncture is currently recommended for the prevention of chronic headaches, but not for musculoskeletal pain or osteoarthritis pain.
- DanBC 9y ago
  That's the current recommendation. This research shows benefit to musculoskeletal pain. This research will influence future guidance, and the recommendation is that acupuncture is cost-effective, safe, more effective than placebo, provides better quality of life improvements than usual care, and that acupuncture should be available to people with some types of long term pain (including musculo-skeletal). The first paragraph: > This NIHR-funded systematic review shows that acupuncture is better than usual care and sham acupuncture for pain from musculoskeletal conditions, knee osteoarthritis and chronic headache.
seanwilson 9y ago
> You're pretty sniffy about the effects of long term pain which can be debilitating, even life threatening. Some people who die by suicide were in long term pain. Obviously I think long term pain should be taken seriously but I would prefer people used existing scientifically backed treatments instead of promoting pseudoscience which definitively does lead to deaths (e.g. see the anti vaccination movement).