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Please name one problem with a vegan diet that's solved by meat. Meat is a carcinogen, it's highly correlated with a variety of diseases, and the "vitamin suppl

Please name one problem with a vegan diet that's solved by meat. Meat is a carcinogen, it's highly correlated with a variety of diseases, and the "vitamin supplements" doesn't hold water seeing as how animals killed for meat have to be given vitamin supplements anyway. Eating meat is a fantastic last resort if you don't have enough food and your only other option is malnutrition/starvation, but it's terrible for you as anything other than a stopgap until you can eat some plants/fungi.

rpedela 9y ago
Carcinogen? Source?
- georgewsinger 9y ago
  https://nutritionfacts.org/?fwp_search=cancer&fwp_content_type=video https://nutritionfacts.org/?fwp_search=cancer&fwp_content_ty...
  - rpedela 9y ago
    Do you have direct links to peer-reviewed sources, not search results for videos? Also I am always skeptical of websites where all the content is produced by one doctor and phrases like "From the physician behind the trusted website NutritionFacts.org, How Not to Die reveals the groundbreaking scientific evidence behind the only diet that can prevent and reverse many of the causes of premature death and disability" are found on it. Most practicing physicians are much more careful with their wording.
    - georgewsinger 9y ago
      His videos summarize peer reviewed sources. Everything is evidence based.
- fnovd 9y ago
  The WHO is a fairly reputable source.[0] [0] http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/ http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
- mikehotel 9y ago
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22618737/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22618737/ After allowing for measurement error, a 3% increase in the consumption of energy intake from animal protein was associated with a 15% higher risk (95% confidence interval [CI]: 3-30%; p(trend) = 0.01) and a 2% increase in energy from plant protein intake was associated with a 23% lower risk (95% CI: 36-7%, p(trend) = 0.006).
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toasterlovin 9y ago
> Eating meat is a fantastic last resort if you don't have enough food and your only other option is malnutrition/starvation, but it's terrible for you as anything other than a stopgap until you can eat some plants/fungi. Eating meat seems like a viable strategy for many other species, not sure why it isn't a viable one for humans as well, especially given that we seem to be highly evolved as hunters (I mean, we are, by a long shot, the most successful predator in recent evolutionary history).
- 8note 9y ago
  Which meat eating animals live into their hundreds?
  - DanBC 9y ago
    turtles.
  - rpedela 9y ago
    Whales
  - nradov 9y ago
    Several species of Pacific rockfish.
legulere 9y ago
The aforementioned malnutrition of vegans. And no you do not need to feed properly managed livestock vitamin supplements. Eating meat is fantastic because it contains a lot of macro and micro nutrients. With a vegan diet it is extremely hard to impossible to get all micronutrients. 2/3 of people trying to become vegetarian start eating meat again. Meat reduction simply is more viable. Of course eating too much of this powerful food is bad for you. But also sunlight causes a variety of diseases and we don't try to live without sunlight. Obesity and cardiovascular diseases are not really an issue if you have a reduced intake of meat. Red and processed meats increase the risks of colorectal cancer with relative increases that seem really high, but with tiny absolute increases as colorectal cancer is extremely uncommon.

rpedela 9y ago

Carcinogen? Source?

georgewsinger 9y ago
https://nutritionfacts.org/?fwp_search=cancer&fwp_content_type=video https://nutritionfacts.org/?fwp_search=cancer&fwp_content_ty...
- rpedela 9y ago
  Do you have direct links to peer-reviewed sources, not search results for videos? Also I am always skeptical of websites where all the content is produced by one doctor and phrases like "From the physician behind the trusted website NutritionFacts.org, How Not to Die reveals the groundbreaking scientific evidence behind the only diet that can prevent and reverse many of the causes of premature death and disability" are found on it. Most practicing physicians are much more careful with their wording.
  - georgewsinger 9y ago
    His videos summarize peer reviewed sources. Everything is evidence based.
fnovd 9y ago
The WHO is a fairly reputable source.[0] [0] http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/ http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
mikehotel 9y ago
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22618737/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22618737/ After allowing for measurement error, a 3% increase in the consumption of energy intake from animal protein was associated with a 15% higher risk (95% confidence interval [CI]: 3-30%; p(trend) = 0.01) and a 2% increase in energy from plant protein intake was associated with a 23% lower risk (95% CI: 36-7%, p(trend) = 0.006).
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toasterlovin 9y ago

> Eating meat is a fantastic last resort if you don't have enough food and your only other option is malnutrition/starvation, but it's terrible for you as anything other than a stopgap until you can eat some plants/fungi. Eating meat seems like a viable strategy for many other species, not sure why it isn't a viable one for humans as well, especially given that we seem to be highly evolved as hunters (I mean, we are, by a long shot, the most successful predator in recent evolutionary history).

8note 9y ago
Which meat eating animals live into their hundreds?
- DanBC 9y ago
  turtles.
- rpedela 9y ago
  Whales
- nradov 9y ago
  Several species of Pacific rockfish.

legulere 9y ago

The aforementioned malnutrition of vegans. And no you do not need to feed properly managed livestock vitamin supplements. Eating meat is fantastic because it contains a lot of macro and micro nutrients. With a vegan diet it is extremely hard to impossible to get all micronutrients. 2/3 of people trying to become vegetarian start eating meat again. Meat reduction simply is more viable. Of course eating too much of this powerful food is bad for you. But also sunlight causes a variety of diseases and we don't try to live without sunlight. Obesity and cardiovascular diseases are not really an issue if you have a reduced intake of meat. Red and processed meats increase the risks of colorectal cancer with relative increases that seem really high, but with tiny absolute increases as colorectal cancer is extremely uncommon.