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Implanted rfid chips must be the most stupid idea so far. It does not really solve any actual important problems, unless you are a cat, and introduce health ri

by kpil 9y ago

Implanted rfid chips must be the most stupid idea so far. It does not really solve any actual important problems, unless you are a cat, and introduce health risks and security risks instead.

twa19999 9y ago
But it fits nicely with liberal-left philosophy of treating animals like people and people like animals.
lrvick 9y ago
In the past I would lose my keys on a painfully frequent basis, lock them in my vehicle, etc. Similarly master offline backups of mine have been lost, stolen, or simply not available to me when I needed them most. A few years ago I had two NFC tags implanted. I use them to open/start all my vehicles, unlock my front door and office doors, as well as store encrypted backup seeds for my cryptocurrency wallets and other private keys. They even allow me to use a vending machine at my favorite hackerspace. I can lose my keyring and my wallet and have my home burn down and I still maintain access to all of my remaining physical and digital property. Over the past few years I have not had to keep up with metal keys, and it has been a pretty great life upgrade. I still use HSMs day to day for transaction signing, binary signing, password management, ssh, etc. to keep from exposing secret keys. I will be replacing these cases soon with a Vivokey which offers an implantable NFC powered secure element. Implantable RFID tech is solving a lot of problems for me.
- tribby 9y ago
  passwords are bad, but I like that someone needs to beat a password out of me and can't just scan or rip out my implant. neither scenario is part of my threat model, so I get that my objection isn't practical/rational. but I'd prefer my important passwords stay in my head, and not my body. I'd also be concerned about what I could be compelled to do with such a chip at a border crossing. privacy as a moral imperative doesn't make my life any easier (I still lose my keys all the time), but I'm not quite ready to get chipped, either.
  - fpoling 9y ago
    According various articles about methods Soviet and Russian special forces has been using to extract information from the heads of their victims only people with no feeling of pain can withstand it. The claim is that using a metal file against teeth works in 99% of cases.
    - tribby 9y ago
      I don't doubt this (though I'm interested in your sources!), but as I said I'm not making an argument of practicality. passwords are based on consent, regardless of whether or not that consent is coerced handily by special forces. the difference between an FSB agent filing your teeth and a border agent waving their chip reader at you isn't one strictly of outcome.
    - imtringued 9y ago
      If you value your unharmed body more than the password you still have the option to reveal it. With an implant your body will always be harmed against your will.
      - lrvick 9y ago
        Why would the body need to be harmed? Any NFC scanner can read the encrypted content, and trying to remove it forcefully is likely to damage it.
        kpil 9y ago
        Need to get through door. Rfid tag gets cut out. The owner is likely to notice that. Picking a wallet will probably not harm anyone.
        lrvick 9y ago
        At that point why would an attacker not use a crowbar? I think we have very differnt threat profiles...
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by kpil 9y ago

Implanted rfid chips must be the most stupid idea so far. It does not really solve any actual important problems, unless you are a cat, and introduce health risks and security risks instead.

twa19999 9y ago

But it fits nicely with liberal-left philosophy of treating animals like people and people like animals.

lrvick 9y ago

In the past I would lose my keys on a painfully frequent basis, lock them in my vehicle, etc. Similarly master offline backups of mine have been lost, stolen, or simply not available to me when I needed them most. A few years ago I had two NFC tags implanted. I use them to open/start all my vehicles, unlock my front door and office doors, as well as store encrypted backup seeds for my cryptocurrency wallets and other private keys. They even allow me to use a vending machine at my favorite hackerspace. I can lose my keyring and my wallet and have my home burn down and I still maintain access to all of my remaining physical and digital property. Over the past few years I have not had to keep up with metal keys, and it has been a pretty great life upgrade. I still use HSMs day to day for transaction signing, binary signing, password management, ssh, etc. to keep from exposing secret keys. I will be replacing these cases soon with a Vivokey which offers an implantable NFC powered secure element. Implantable RFID tech is solving a lot of problems for me.

tribby 9y ago
passwords are bad, but I like that someone needs to beat a password out of me and can't just scan or rip out my implant. neither scenario is part of my threat model, so I get that my objection isn't practical/rational. but I'd prefer my important passwords stay in my head, and not my body. I'd also be concerned about what I could be compelled to do with such a chip at a border crossing. privacy as a moral imperative doesn't make my life any easier (I still lose my keys all the time), but I'm not quite ready to get chipped, either.
- fpoling 9y ago
  According various articles about methods Soviet and Russian special forces has been using to extract information from the heads of their victims only people with no feeling of pain can withstand it. The claim is that using a metal file against teeth works in 99% of cases.
  - tribby 9y ago
    I don't doubt this (though I'm interested in your sources!), but as I said I'm not making an argument of practicality. passwords are based on consent, regardless of whether or not that consent is coerced handily by special forces. the difference between an FSB agent filing your teeth and a border agent waving their chip reader at you isn't one strictly of outcome.
  - imtringued 9y ago
    If you value your unharmed body more than the password you still have the option to reveal it. With an implant your body will always be harmed against your will.
    - lrvick 9y ago
      Why would the body need to be harmed? Any NFC scanner can read the encrypted content, and trying to remove it forcefully is likely to damage it.
      - kpil 9y ago
        Need to get through door. Rfid tag gets cut out. The owner is likely to notice that. Picking a wallet will probably not harm anyone.
        lrvick 9y ago
        At that point why would an attacker not use a crowbar? I think we have very differnt threat profiles...
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