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"Roundup" isn't just for farmers. I deployed around 35 x 5 ml of the stuff in 5l of water here, at home (UK) two days ago. I took care to only spray in the ea

"Roundup" isn't just for farmers. I deployed around 35 x 5 ml of the stuff in 5l of water here, at home (UK) two days ago. I took care to only spray in the early evening after bees and most other insects had buggered off but probably some woodlice ("jiggers" I think, in en_US) might have suffered. I threat the stuff as a nasty poison but had no idea that it might be carcinogenic.

cheath 9y ago
for whatever it's worth--we call woodlice "roly-poly's" in the US. which now sounds silly typing out. jiggers are far scarier parasitic creatures.
- Dylan16807 9y ago
  That's the most common one, yes. Or for more detail: http://i.imgur.com/8iiuuCd.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8iiuuCd.jpg https://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/q_74.html https://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/q_74...
- saghm 9y ago
  Ah! I didn't know what either "jigger" or "woodlice" referred to until I read your comment. I actually always used to call them "pill bugs", although I'm not sure if that's something that others call or just a name I learned from my family.
ams6110 9y ago
Roundup works best when you apply it in the early morning on a sunny day.
CydeWeys 9y ago
What were you spraying Roundup for? Given that it might be carcinogenic, unless you're using it for something extremely important (a use case I'm struggling to come up with), it may be worth discontinuing usage.
- Oletros 9y ago
  I suppose that you don't eat meat or potatoes, isn't? They are in the same IARC group than the glyphosate
  - CydeWeys 9y ago
    So you're saying that eating the pesticide Roundup is as safe as eating meat and potatoes? Use common sense and don't say silly things.
    - Oletros 9y ago
      No, I'm saying that the IARC group for all of those product is exactly the same. The ones saying silly things are the one saying things like the oine you said disregarding any evidence. If you're so afraid that glysophate might be carcinogen, you should be very afraid of roasted potatoes or red meat because they are in the same exactly group. And please, can you tell me where I have said anything of eating glysophate?
      - CydeWeys 9y ago
        You are irrationally focusing on just one aspect of toxicity -- an IARC group. That is one classification of things. There's nothing inherent in nature about IARC groups, and there are many other ways in which pesticides are more harmful to eat than normal food in addition to one potential classification of carcinogenicity. You are making ludicrous reductionist statements that are convincing no one beyond yourself. You are also completely ignoring issues of dosage. Try this argument on for size: Both water and hydrochloric acid have a 0 flammability rating on the NFPA 704 scale, thus if you're willing to drink water you should be willing to drink hydrochloric acid. Do you see where this falls down?
        Oletros 9y ago
        > You are irrationally focusing on just one aspect of toxicity -- an IARC group. Yes, the only agency that has stated that it might be carcinogenic, the thing you have talked about. Perhaps the irrationally focusing and changing goalposts is you, not me. > and there are many other ways in which pesticides are more harmful to eat than normal food in addition to one potential classification of carcinogenicity. And? You have talked about carcinogenic effects, not other things > You are also completely ignoring issues of dosage. Me? Tell that to the IARC, they are the ones that doesn't talk about dosages. By the way, do you know the dosage? > Do you see where this falls down? Yes, talking about carcinogenic effects like you did, it is silly The first post, remember, the one talking about carcinogenic effects was you, not me. > What were you spraying Roundup for? Given that it might be carcinogenic, unless you're using it for something extremely important (a use case I'm struggling to come up with), it may be worth discontinuing usage. And if you talk about toxicity, do you know the relative toxicity of Roundup versus other pesticides? Perhaps you're advocating for substituting it by toher things more toxic

cheath 9y ago

for whatever it's worth--we call woodlice "roly-poly's" in the US. which now sounds silly typing out. jiggers are far scarier parasitic creatures.

Dylan16807 9y ago
That's the most common one, yes. Or for more detail: http://i.imgur.com/8iiuuCd.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8iiuuCd.jpg https://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/q_74.html https://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/q_74...
saghm 9y ago
Ah! I didn't know what either "jigger" or "woodlice" referred to until I read your comment. I actually always used to call them "pill bugs", although I'm not sure if that's something that others call or just a name I learned from my family.

ams6110 9y ago

Roundup works best when you apply it in the early morning on a sunny day.

CydeWeys 9y ago

What were you spraying Roundup for? Given that it might be carcinogenic, unless you're using it for something extremely important (a use case I'm struggling to come up with), it may be worth discontinuing usage.

Oletros 9y ago
I suppose that you don't eat meat or potatoes, isn't? They are in the same IARC group than the glyphosate
- CydeWeys 9y ago
  So you're saying that eating the pesticide Roundup is as safe as eating meat and potatoes? Use common sense and don't say silly things.
  - Oletros 9y ago
    No, I'm saying that the IARC group for all of those product is exactly the same. The ones saying silly things are the one saying things like the oine you said disregarding any evidence. If you're so afraid that glysophate might be carcinogen, you should be very afraid of roasted potatoes or red meat because they are in the same exactly group. And please, can you tell me where I have said anything of eating glysophate?
    - CydeWeys 9y ago
      You are irrationally focusing on just one aspect of toxicity -- an IARC group. That is one classification of things. There's nothing inherent in nature about IARC groups, and there are many other ways in which pesticides are more harmful to eat than normal food in addition to one potential classification of carcinogenicity. You are making ludicrous reductionist statements that are convincing no one beyond yourself. You are also completely ignoring issues of dosage. Try this argument on for size: Both water and hydrochloric acid have a 0 flammability rating on the NFPA 704 scale, thus if you're willing to drink water you should be willing to drink hydrochloric acid. Do you see where this falls down?
      - Oletros 9y ago
        > You are irrationally focusing on just one aspect of toxicity -- an IARC group. Yes, the only agency that has stated that it might be carcinogenic, the thing you have talked about. Perhaps the irrationally focusing and changing goalposts is you, not me. > and there are many other ways in which pesticides are more harmful to eat than normal food in addition to one potential classification of carcinogenicity. And? You have talked about carcinogenic effects, not other things > You are also completely ignoring issues of dosage. Me? Tell that to the IARC, they are the ones that doesn't talk about dosages. By the way, do you know the dosage? > Do you see where this falls down? Yes, talking about carcinogenic effects like you did, it is silly The first post, remember, the one talking about carcinogenic effects was you, not me. > What were you spraying Roundup for? Given that it might be carcinogenic, unless you're using it for something extremely important (a use case I'm struggling to come up with), it may be worth discontinuing usage. And if you talk about toxicity, do you know the relative toxicity of Roundup versus other pesticides? Perhaps you're advocating for substituting it by toher things more toxic