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It would be more impressive to not harass women founders. This apology moves him above harassers who don't apologize, but still miles below non-harassers. Bewa
by obstinate 9y ago
It would be more impressive to not harass women founders. This apology moves him above harassers who don't apologize, but still miles below non-harassers.
Beware of giving someone too much credit for doing something very harmful, then apologizing for it effusively. It doesn't undo the harm.
- Jemmeh 9y agoI really wanna hear from people who are downvoting this. It's right to still be mad at him even if he apologizes!
- obstinate 9y agoPar for the course when it comes to women's issues on this site. Sad but true. There are a lot of men on here, and it's hard to see things that don't affect you directly.
- debaserab2 9y agoSo how long do we have to ostracize him for before we can treat him like a human being again? Or does he wear the scarlett letter forever now? Is it not okay to note that he appears to be taking the right first steps?
- vkou 9y agoUntil he is removed from positions of power over women, and steps are taken towards making sure that it won't happen again? Serial drunk drivers lose their license, and get sent to AA. Serial harassment... I'm not sure what institution exists to deal with that problem. A shrink? Welfare?
- obstinate 9y agoI don't necessarily mind acknowledging the apology. What I do mind is what I see as a lot of people going out of their way to give him props for apologizing, and relatively few people actually talking about how heinous his behavior is. Especially after factoring in where these comments are appearing relatively in their respective threads. In my mind, that creates a signal that men -- and it is mostly men on this site -- care more about the appearance of remorse than the actual victimization of women that this man perpetrated.
- munchbunny 9y agoHe can take off the scarlett letter when he follows through on his promises of reform. Until then, I'm optimistic that his apology is sincere, but I won't trust him. In other words, he has the benefit of the doubt from me, but an apology does not absolve him. Reform does.
- metamet 9y ago> It would be more impressive to not harass women founders. Of course. But that didn't happen, so this thread is a discussion of what did happen. Acknowledging the apology is not praising him.
- jimbokun 9y ago"It would be more impressive to not harass women founders." That's not possible at this point without a time machine. The apology doesn't undo any harm, but it's a good start for changing course. (Assuming the apology isn't solely for PR purposes.)
- maxxxxx 9y agoI am not giving him credit and I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same stuff again like a lot of other abusers. I was just surprised that at least what he wrote was not the usual passive aggressive stuff public figures put out. Stuff like "I am sorry if my actions got interpreted as harmful".