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It's probably not the message that a company selling payroll benefits is wanting to send to the market. "Oh sure you can trust us to calculate your employee be

It's probably not the message that a company selling payroll benefits is wanting to send to the market. "Oh sure you can trust us to calculate your employee benefits right, that our business!"

jpatokal 9y ago
It's not about accidental miscalculation, it's about intentionally classifying employees in dubious/illegal ways to cut down on their benefits.
- awqrre 9y ago
  they are aiming for zero benefits
  - Neliquat 9y ago
    How zen.
tarr11 9y ago
Asking employers if employees are exempt or not is the likely cause. A common mistake employers make is assuming that if you are paid a salary, you are exempt. In truth, if your salary is below 47k in CA, you are not exempt and entitled to overtime. https://www.calchamber.com/california-employment-law/pages/exempt-nonexempt-employees.aspx https://www.calchamber.com/california-employment-law/pages/e... "Exempt employees in California generally must earn a minimum monthly salary of no less than two times the state minimum wage for full time employment. Paying an employee a salary does not make them exempt, nor does it change any requirements for compliance with wage and hour laws."
- ajdlinux 9y ago
  That's a mistake that I would hope an HR systems business would be able to avoid when it comes to their own employees...
  - thephyber 9y ago
    And if the HR outsourcing company that is based in CA doesn't know about that regulation, how is a mom-and-pop shop expected to know about it? "You had one job..." </meme>
- joatmon-snoo 9y ago
  If you write software in CA, the threshold is actually ~$88k[2] as of Jan 1, 2017 (the threshold is updated annually in accordance with a consumer price index). [1] See section 515.5, https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=LAB&division=2.&title=&part=2.&chapter=1.&article= https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.x... [2] https://www.dir.ca.gov/oprl/ComputerSoftware.pdf https://www.dir.ca.gov/oprl/ComputerSoftware.pdf
  - rjeli 9y ago
    Does this mean if one were to make less, overtime has to be paid, even if the work is voluntary? Thinking of employees at early stage startups
    - joatmon-snoo 9y ago
      Yep. Caveats apply and consult a lawyer who knows the labor code, but yep.
- Steeeve 9y ago
  Tell that to the school districts.
  - baldfat 9y ago
    Teachers make way more then $42k in California. Teachers make over $80,000 on average and even get overtime pay. Now I think teachers should make this amount but just saying they are above this. Here is a school picked at random. http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2014/school-districts/imperial/brawley-elementary-school-district/ http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2014/school-distri...

It's probably not the message that a company selling payroll benefits is wanting to send to the market. "Oh sure you can trust us to calculate your employee benefits right, that our business!"

jpatokal 9y ago

It's not about accidental miscalculation, it's about intentionally classifying employees in dubious/illegal ways to cut down on their benefits.

awqrre 9y ago
they are aiming for zero benefits
- Neliquat 9y ago
  How zen.

tarr11 9y ago

Asking employers if employees are exempt or not is the likely cause. A common mistake employers make is assuming that if you are paid a salary, you are exempt. In truth, if your salary is below 47k in CA, you are not exempt and entitled to overtime. https://www.calchamber.com/california-employment-law/pages/exempt-nonexempt-employees.aspx https://www.calchamber.com/california-employment-law/pages/e... "Exempt employees in California generally must earn a minimum monthly salary of no less than two times the state minimum wage for full time employment. Paying an employee a salary does not make them exempt, nor does it change any requirements for compliance with wage and hour laws."

ajdlinux 9y ago
That's a mistake that I would hope an HR systems business would be able to avoid when it comes to their own employees...
- thephyber 9y ago
  And if the HR outsourcing company that is based in CA doesn't know about that regulation, how is a mom-and-pop shop expected to know about it? "You had one job..." </meme>
joatmon-snoo 9y ago
If you write software in CA, the threshold is actually ~$88k[2] as of Jan 1, 2017 (the threshold is updated annually in accordance with a consumer price index). [1] See section 515.5, https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=LAB&division=2.&title=&part=2.&chapter=1.&article= https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.x... [2] https://www.dir.ca.gov/oprl/ComputerSoftware.pdf https://www.dir.ca.gov/oprl/ComputerSoftware.pdf
- rjeli 9y ago
  Does this mean if one were to make less, overtime has to be paid, even if the work is voluntary? Thinking of employees at early stage startups
  - joatmon-snoo 9y ago
    Yep. Caveats apply and consult a lawyer who knows the labor code, but yep.
Steeeve 9y ago
Tell that to the school districts.
- baldfat 9y ago
  Teachers make way more then $42k in California. Teachers make over $80,000 on average and even get overtime pay. Now I think teachers should make this amount but just saying they are above this. Here is a school picked at random. http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2014/school-districts/imperial/brawley-elementary-school-district/ http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2014/school-distri...