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What would be a good jurisdiction for them?

by gtirloni 9y ago

sr2 9y ago
Some kind of crypto-haven like The Isle of Man or Liberland
- zitterbewegung 9y ago
  What is the tech scene there in those two countries? Could they hire the correct talent?
  - sr2 9y ago
    I'm not sure about Liberland, but I know in the Isle of Man that Bitcoin is thriving: https://www.middletonkatz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Isle-of-Man-Bitcoin-regulations.pdf https://www.middletonkatz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Isl...
- chinathrow 9y ago
  I guess that it's even easier to sniff upstream traffic (to/from VPN endpoints) to such small internet outposts than, let's say AWS, Akamai or any other large infrastructure provider out there.
  - __jal 9y ago
    This. You're at the mercy of their upstreams, which are fixed, targets for TLAs, and likely to be sharing the pipes with other people who are (at least in their own eyes) high value targets.
awqrre 9y ago
it might be time for space satellite hosting companies... or maybe once SpaceX reduces the cost of used rockets.
- freeflight 9y ago
  >it might be time for space satellite hosting companies. Uhm that would probably backfire and make you an open target for every security service on the planet. German BND did bulk-collection on satellite communications, even tho German law does not allow for something like that. So BND reasoned "Satellites are in space, German Grundgesetz does not apply in space!", dubbing it the "Weltraumtheorie" (Spacetheory) German source: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Geheimakte-BND-NSA-Bad-Aibling-und-die-Weltraumtheorie-3663884.html https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Geheimakte-BND-NSA-B...
  - awqrre 9y ago
    What if you can't control it once it's gone? and anyone can access the read-only data that is stored on-board.
    - freeflight 9y ago
      Afaik this whole "satellite/international water" scenario was suggested to prevent government agencies from forcing access to sensitive data trough legal means. If your data is so insensitive, that you can have it just sitting there accessible by anybody, then you might as well just put the data on regular public servers and not bother with the effort of building a "space server".
AdamN 9y ago
Germany has very strong privacy laws which is one of the reasons Amazon dropped an AWS region there. Customers are paying a premium for the jurisdiction.
- chrisseaton 9y ago
  If customers are paying a premium why would Amazon drop the region? Were the privacy laws too complex for them?
  - nawgszy 9y ago
    I think he means "dropped" as in "the rapper dropped his mixtape today", not as in "the service provider dropped their service due to lack of profitability".
    - chrisseaton 9y ago
      Well that's confusing :) Given your example is out of context and counter-example is perfectly in context.
      - nawgszy 9y ago
        Yes, because I agreed with you that it was perhaps a poor time for a colloquial usage of "dropped" considering that, in the context, it was fairly likely to be interpreted as my counter-example, or your initial interpretation. I'd like to think my wording was completely unambiguous to make up for any context-switching your brain might have tried to pull on you, and if not I apologize.
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  - smt88 9y ago
    "dropped" in this case = "added" or "dropped into place"
  - bogomipz 9y ago
ionised 9y ago
Iceland maybe?

What would be a good jurisdiction for them?

sr2 9y ago

Some kind of crypto-haven like The Isle of Man or Liberland

zitterbewegung 9y ago
What is the tech scene there in those two countries? Could they hire the correct talent?
- sr2 9y ago
  I'm not sure about Liberland, but I know in the Isle of Man that Bitcoin is thriving: https://www.middletonkatz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Isle-of-Man-Bitcoin-regulations.pdf https://www.middletonkatz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Isl...
chinathrow 9y ago
I guess that it's even easier to sniff upstream traffic (to/from VPN endpoints) to such small internet outposts than, let's say AWS, Akamai or any other large infrastructure provider out there.
- __jal 9y ago
  This. You're at the mercy of their upstreams, which are fixed, targets for TLAs, and likely to be sharing the pipes with other people who are (at least in their own eyes) high value targets.

awqrre 9y ago

it might be time for space satellite hosting companies... or maybe once SpaceX reduces the cost of used rockets.

freeflight 9y ago
>it might be time for space satellite hosting companies. Uhm that would probably backfire and make you an open target for every security service on the planet. German BND did bulk-collection on satellite communications, even tho German law does not allow for something like that. So BND reasoned "Satellites are in space, German Grundgesetz does not apply in space!", dubbing it the "Weltraumtheorie" (Spacetheory) German source: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Geheimakte-BND-NSA-Bad-Aibling-und-die-Weltraumtheorie-3663884.html https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Geheimakte-BND-NSA-B...
- awqrre 9y ago
  What if you can't control it once it's gone? and anyone can access the read-only data that is stored on-board.
  - freeflight 9y ago
    Afaik this whole "satellite/international water" scenario was suggested to prevent government agencies from forcing access to sensitive data trough legal means. If your data is so insensitive, that you can have it just sitting there accessible by anybody, then you might as well just put the data on regular public servers and not bother with the effort of building a "space server".

AdamN 9y ago

Germany has very strong privacy laws which is one of the reasons Amazon dropped an AWS region there. Customers are paying a premium for the jurisdiction.

chrisseaton 9y ago
If customers are paying a premium why would Amazon drop the region? Were the privacy laws too complex for them?
- nawgszy 9y ago
  I think he means "dropped" as in "the rapper dropped his mixtape today", not as in "the service provider dropped their service due to lack of profitability".
  - chrisseaton 9y ago
    Well that's confusing :) Given your example is out of context and counter-example is perfectly in context.
    - nawgszy 9y ago
      Yes, because I agreed with you that it was perhaps a poor time for a colloquial usage of "dropped" considering that, in the context, it was fairly likely to be interpreted as my counter-example, or your initial interpretation. I'd like to think my wording was completely unambiguous to make up for any context-switching your brain might have tried to pull on you, and if not I apologize.
    - deleted 9y ago
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- smt88 9y ago
  "dropped" in this case = "added" or "dropped into place"
- bogomipz 9y ago

ionised 9y ago

Iceland maybe?