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I agree with a lot of what you said. But it's simply not true that "Many Brits feel conned". The majority still wants to leave EU. That's why both Labour and Co

by nvarsj 9y ago

I agree with a lot of what you said. But it's simply not true that "Many Brits feel conned". The majority still wants to leave EU. That's why both Labour and Conservative MPs are pro brexit. Only LibDems are pro-remain, and they only got a handful of seats in the last general election. The brexiteers won, unfortunately. The only question now is how bad it will be.

ionised 9y ago
> The majority still wants to leave EU. That's why both Labour and Conservative MPs are pro brexit. This is not really accurate. Firstly, the majority that initially voted to leave was 37% of the population. As far as I am aware that number has slightly decreased in terms of supporters, but even if the opposite were true it is still less than half of the population that actively support leaving. Secondly, these MP's are only 'pro-Brexit' insofar as they know it has to happen regardless of their own beliefs and coming out against it now would be political suicide. No matter what you think here, in this last General Election people did not vote for parties based on their Brexit stance. They voted based on whether they wanted 5 more years of Tory rule. Tht issue was a far higher priority than Brexit.
- gadders 9y ago
  You're quite correct. The proper phrase "The majority of people that could be bothered to vote still wants to leave the EU".
pbhjpbhj 9y ago
You have to remember we have FPTP voting, not STV or any other form of PR. I'd have voted LibDem but you only get one vote and my main concern was "try to halt NHS privatisation" leaving me to vote against the Tories and so for whoever has most chance of winning against them. There's no scope in General Elections for any nuance in voting. LibDems openly supported this line, "vote against the Tory party". Meanwhile in Scotland it seems SNP lost votes not because of their governance, per se, but because people were using it as a proxy for voting against a further Scottish referendum.
mcv 9y ago
True. If the Brits really wanted to undo the referendum, they should have voted en-masse for the LibDems. They didn't. Worse: the Tories remain the largest party despite their losses. Clearly a lot of Brits still support the hard-line Brexit of Theresa May.
- deepnet 9y ago
  It is impossible to conclude this given Brexit was far from the only issue - ending austerity and saving the NHS were big priorities too. This doesn't work so well under the UK's First Past The Post system. If you wanted to get the Tories out then feeling one was throwing away a vote for the Lib-Dems in a seat were they are too far behind is one argument for proportional representation. Also the Lib-Dems lost a lot of trust with the coalition with the Tories, many left the Lib Dems as they felt betrayed by this.
  - mcv 9y ago
    True, proportional representation would have given a far more accurate representation, and the Tories didn't get as many votes as their number of seats suggests, but still, they got enough votes to remain the largest party. That's far more support for May's mad rampage than I expected.

by nvarsj 9y ago

ionised 9y ago

> The majority still wants to leave EU. That's why both Labour and Conservative MPs are pro brexit. This is not really accurate. Firstly, the majority that initially voted to leave was 37% of the population. As far as I am aware that number has slightly decreased in terms of supporters, but even if the opposite were true it is still less than half of the population that actively support leaving. Secondly, these MP's are only 'pro-Brexit' insofar as they know it has to happen regardless of their own beliefs and coming out against it now would be political suicide. No matter what you think here, in this last General Election people did not vote for parties based on their Brexit stance. They voted based on whether they wanted 5 more years of Tory rule. Tht issue was a far higher priority than Brexit.

gadders 9y ago
You're quite correct. The proper phrase "The majority of people that could be bothered to vote still wants to leave the EU".

pbhjpbhj 9y ago

You have to remember we have FPTP voting, not STV or any other form of PR. I'd have voted LibDem but you only get one vote and my main concern was "try to halt NHS privatisation" leaving me to vote against the Tories and so for whoever has most chance of winning against them. There's no scope in General Elections for any nuance in voting. LibDems openly supported this line, "vote against the Tory party". Meanwhile in Scotland it seems SNP lost votes not because of their governance, per se, but because people were using it as a proxy for voting against a further Scottish referendum.

mcv 9y ago

True. If the Brits really wanted to undo the referendum, they should have voted en-masse for the LibDems. They didn't. Worse: the Tories remain the largest party despite their losses. Clearly a lot of Brits still support the hard-line Brexit of Theresa May.

deepnet 9y ago
It is impossible to conclude this given Brexit was far from the only issue - ending austerity and saving the NHS were big priorities too. This doesn't work so well under the UK's First Past The Post system. If you wanted to get the Tories out then feeling one was throwing away a vote for the Lib-Dems in a seat were they are too far behind is one argument for proportional representation. Also the Lib-Dems lost a lot of trust with the coalition with the Tories, many left the Lib Dems as they felt betrayed by this.
- mcv 9y ago
  True, proportional representation would have given a far more accurate representation, and the Tories didn't get as many votes as their number of seats suggests, but still, they got enough votes to remain the largest party. That's far more support for May's mad rampage than I expected.