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Those aren't too bad (out of context of the Tesla article), I can see how the ai might misinterpret those images. The bagel one, for example, is pretty on point

Those aren't too bad (out of context of the Tesla article), I can see how the ai might misinterpret those images. The bagel one, for example, is pretty on point.

TeMPOraL 9y ago
Those examples show that ML algorithms "see" things much differently from us. It also shows they're very vulnerable to nonsense data. How can I be reasonably sure that some random play of shadows and lights, that would never fool a human, will cause a failure mode in a neural network in a vision-only self-driving car?
- falcolas 9y ago
  Or worse - paint jobs created specifically to muck with image recognition. Or when the graffiti becomes intentionally malicious (thinking of a variation of Wiley E. Coyote's tricks with paint and solid walls)?
  - Neliquat 9y ago
    There are already a few artists working on this, some with some success.
  - grkvlt 9y ago
    Would these be the same graffiti artists that are currently maliciously painting over road warning and direction signs to fool human drivers? Say, whiting out a 'low bridge ahead' sign, so that trucks and double-decker buses crash into it...? Because, nobody is doing that now, and if they tried it, they would be prosecuted, probably for murder or attempted murder. I don't understand where some people get the belief that automated vehicles will suddenly become targets of murderous or sociopathic pranksters?
    - gus_massa 9y ago
      Last year, there was a popular hoax about a graffiti of a Road Runner tunnel: http://www.snopes.com/road-runner-tunnel-crash-rumor/ http://www.snopes.com/road-runner-tunnel-crash-rumor/
    - falcolas 9y ago
      > I don't understand where some people get the belief that automated vehicles will suddenly become targets There is precedent when it comes to the automation of people's jobs (truckers, cab drivers, courier services) and fanatical condemnation of technological advancement; see everything from the Luddite's infamous wooden shoes to the spiking of trees to stop logging. In the forests near my hometown, some environmental fanatics will string up wire across motorcycle and ATV tracks, or create blockages and attack riders with crowbars and pipes. I wish I were kidding. As for current graffiti artists - they're taking down stop signs and road markers, defacing handicapped parking signs with stickers, tagging any and all road signs, and so forth. They're minor nuisances for human drivers, who can usually easily identify compensate for such changes. Computers, even those running neural networks, are not able to compensate so easily.

Those aren't too bad (out of context of the Tesla article), I can see how the ai might misinterpret those images. The bagel one, for example, is pretty on point.

TeMPOraL 9y ago

Those examples show that ML algorithms "see" things much differently from us. It also shows they're very vulnerable to nonsense data. How can I be reasonably sure that some random play of shadows and lights, that would never fool a human, will cause a failure mode in a neural network in a vision-only self-driving car?

falcolas 9y ago
Or worse - paint jobs created specifically to muck with image recognition. Or when the graffiti becomes intentionally malicious (thinking of a variation of Wiley E. Coyote's tricks with paint and solid walls)?
- Neliquat 9y ago
  There are already a few artists working on this, some with some success.
- grkvlt 9y ago
  Would these be the same graffiti artists that are currently maliciously painting over road warning and direction signs to fool human drivers? Say, whiting out a 'low bridge ahead' sign, so that trucks and double-decker buses crash into it...? Because, nobody is doing that now, and if they tried it, they would be prosecuted, probably for murder or attempted murder. I don't understand where some people get the belief that automated vehicles will suddenly become targets of murderous or sociopathic pranksters?
  - gus_massa 9y ago
    Last year, there was a popular hoax about a graffiti of a Road Runner tunnel: http://www.snopes.com/road-runner-tunnel-crash-rumor/ http://www.snopes.com/road-runner-tunnel-crash-rumor/
  - falcolas 9y ago
    > I don't understand where some people get the belief that automated vehicles will suddenly become targets There is precedent when it comes to the automation of people's jobs (truckers, cab drivers, courier services) and fanatical condemnation of technological advancement; see everything from the Luddite's infamous wooden shoes to the spiking of trees to stop logging. In the forests near my hometown, some environmental fanatics will string up wire across motorcycle and ATV tracks, or create blockages and attack riders with crowbars and pipes. I wish I were kidding. As for current graffiti artists - they're taking down stop signs and road markers, defacing handicapped parking signs with stickers, tagging any and all road signs, and so forth. They're minor nuisances for human drivers, who can usually easily identify compensate for such changes. Computers, even those running neural networks, are not able to compensate so easily.