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Linode Turns 14
- webtechgal 9y agoI remember first using your service almost a decade ago and then, drifted over to DO over the last few years. Good to know you folks are going strong - all the best.
- kawsper 9y agoOne thing I would really like as a 7 year old Linode customer is something like Amazons VPC, because that could really ease a lot of my deployments. They do offer private lan networking, but that is shared with all the other customers, if I don't trust the internet, I won't trust other Linode customers. Does anyone have experience with a hosting provider that offer something similar?
- tomschlick 9y agoDigital Ocean just launched that: https://blog.digitalocean.com/cloud-firewalls-secure-droplets-by-default/ https://blog.digitalocean.com/cloud-firewalls-secure-droplet...
- closeparen 9y agoIt doesn't quite imply a trusted network. It controls the set of hosts that can communicate, but doesn't say anything about the possibility of interception or tampering like a VPN or VPC does.
- kawsper 9y agoI actually looked at that, and thought it didn't solve my problem, but I skipped this part: "and even sets of Droplets by using Tags.".
- toast0 9y ago(IBM) SoftLayer runs a separate public and private network; and private is segregated by customer. Within the datacenter it's a complete separate system, connectivity between datacenters seems shared by public and private (private generally gets priority when there's a capacity crunch, though); public bandwidth use is metered, and private is unmetered. I work for one of their customers.
- khanan 9y agofiled under "not-so-shameless-plug".
- ianai 9y agoLinode is fully-in the bratty teen years.
- castis 9y agoWhat is the intended sentiment behind this comment?
- zcdziura 9y agoThat the company, were it to be a human, would be a 14 year old teenager. 14 year olds, as you know, can be brats due to various reasons (hormones being first among them).
- ascendantlogic 9y agoIt's just a lighthearted comment about the age of the site/company.
- ianai 9y agoI get that it wasn't funny...glad someone at least saw the context.
- Gackle_Murderer 9y agoI wish Linode had ARM64. I am so done with Intel bullying other corps, I moved my work to Scaleway for that reason. Linode has an INCREDIBLE support staff. Like, superhero action squad to the rescue as soon as something goes wrong incredible, they're just that good. Please get some real boxes though! I really want to come back!
- slig 9y agoI've been with them since 2009 and can confirm that every time I reached their support I've got nothing but good answers and quick action.
- edoceo 9y agoThis is the reason I stay with Linode. The price/service ain't that much different than elsewhere but having staff who are experienced AND responsive is a killer feature.
- thaumaturgy 9y agoI've been with them since 2009. I know the current recommendation from security-focused people is not to use them, due to their mishandling of past events. However, I've found them generally to offer a higher quality of service and support overall. Tried to check out their new Linode Manager, but: "The Beta Manager and API V4 are not available for legacy pre-pay accounts. Please convert to Hourly billing." Shucks. Guess I'll have to give up on the idea of an annual discount. I hope the new API fixes the security issues they've had in the past. We'll see.
- eridius 9y agoI too am bummed that the new stuff they're introducing doesn't work for pre-pay accounts. That annual discount was quite nice, and it's a shame they don't have an equivalent with their new billing.
- tomschlick 9y agoTheir new control panel brings them up to par with Digital Ocean's in my opinion: https://cloud.linode.com/linodes https://cloud.linode.com/linodes (requires login)
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- sitepodmatt 9y ago"We’re building our own transit backbone across the planet. More on that in an upcoming blog post next week." This is interesting... Leasing point to point connectivity like this is surely very expensive for a VPS provider, I understand non-connectivity players like OVH and Google Cloud doing this but Linode?
- nik736 9y agoWhat do you mean exactly? Linode is in the same facility in, for example, Frankfurt as everyone else (DigitalOcean, Vultr, etc.) and DO and Vultr both have the better network, so I don't quite understand why Linode is special in your eyes?
- fivesigma 9y agoBeing in the same physical location doesn't mean they have the same connectivity though. With colo cages, once you get big enough you get to choose your upstream providers. I get 15 ms better ping to Frankfurt Linode compared to Vultr, for example.
- lsjdfkljdfwkwdf 9y agoWhat does 15ms better ping bring you? In most cases 0.01% less packet loss is probably more cause less headaches than 15ms extra RTT.
- nik736 9y agoThey all have their own network. They even have the same transit providers in Frankfurt (Linode and Vultr both use Telia for example). All three get to choose their upstream providers, your argument is invalid. In my tests DO had the best network even though all three save a lot of money by not getting transit from DTAG or UPC, which is a bummer for german customers. Just compare: http://bgp.he.net/AS63949#_peers http://bgp.he.net/AS63949#_peers to http://bgp.he.net/AS200130#_peers http://bgp.he.net/AS200130#_peers And you will see that DO alone in Europe (compared to Linodes global ASN) has many more transit providers and peerings.
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- ausjke 9y ago10+ years customers here. Except that my VM crashed once, all the years have been reliable.
- kyrra 9y agoI used Linode for a really long time, hosting all sorts of personal projects over the years. A few Wordpress setups, some PhpBB forums, and other random small projects that I worked on. It was always nice having a box I could SSH into and do basic "is_it_down" ping/traceroute/nmap scans of things I was trying to reach. Since all of my dynamic based sites are dead and I'm just on static based sites now, I just threw it all into Google Cloud Storage and host it from there (which greatly reduced my money hosting cost). Overall Linode did a great job hosting for me, especially considering the price. But moving to "cloud" providers where I don't have to worry about keeping things upgraded and secure was worth the move to me. I enjoyed it for a long while, but there are easier to maintain services out there now.
- carbocation 9y agoLikewise. I ended up switching to Google Compute because Linode didn't have block storage when I needed it, and I don't plan to head back at this point. But they were the final destination host for my first startup after trying numerous less professional services, and I'll always remember Linode fondly.
- brandon272 9y agoI think you're right that Linode could be overkill if all you have are static based sites (although presumably you could host them all on a single $5/mo. instance.) However, I find Linode's interface far less opaque and easier to use than Google and Amazon's for ongoing site management. I can also get a response from Linode in a few minutes when I submit a help request. Google's Cloud offering must have decent support, though I only know their reputation for one-on-one support across their other offerings which has traditionally been abysmal.
- kyrra 9y agoI loved Linode for their support. When I had issues, they were always good at responding to me and getting things resolved. AWS and GCP do have support, but you have to pay extra for it (sadly). The other nice thing about Linode was the free upgrades. When they did fleet-wide updates to CPU/Ram/Disk, you could go into their UI, click a button and be migrated fairly quickly/easily. I also agree that GCP and AWS are a lot more complicated, as they are vendor-specific ways of solving certain problems, which can be solved normally with Nginx and some configs (which is portable across any VPS/dedicated-host provider).
- ryanlol 9y agoObligatory Linode warning. Linode has a history of putting their customers in very uncomfortable situations. Here's a few HN threads on the previous disasters: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3654110 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3654110 Compromised Linode, thousands of BitCoins stolen (2012) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3655137 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3655137 Linode Manager Security Incident (2012) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5552756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5552756 Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked (2013) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7086921 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7086921 An old system and a SWAT team (2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10825425 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10825425 Linode DDoS continues – Atlanta down for 16+ hours (2016) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10998661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10998661 The Twelve Days of Crisis – A Retrospective on Linode’s Holiday DDoS Attacks (2016) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845170 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845170 Security Notification and Linode Manager Password Reset (2016) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10806686 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10806686 Linode is suffering on-going DDoS attacks (2016) Edit: Guess someone linked this on the Linode staff channel :) Hi guys!
- digitalminstrel 9y agoAround November in 2015 the IRC network I host was hacked due to a breach Linode had already been informed of (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845985) - I had a completely unique username, password, and I even had 2FA enabled. Linode support refused to work with me, advising me to "secure my 2fa device better next time". Longevity of a company like Linode clearly isn't indicative of good business practices, only that they are the cheapest option.
- unabst 9y agoWhy was this downvoted?
- martey 9y agoProbably because of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14572970 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14572970 ? > "While you and the sources you link to are generally correct, you should probably disclose your relationship with Linode when you make these comments -- namely that you were involved with, and successfully prosecuted for, one of the more serious of the five."
- borplk 9y agoLinode has a weak track-record with regards to security in my view.
- ryanlol 9y agoI think this Glassdoor review sums it up pretty well: https://i.imgur.com/sJd56AT.png https://i.imgur.com/sJd56AT.png Linode has been hacked at least 5 times¹ in the past decade, and EVERY TIME they try their hardest to downplay the incident and distract attention from it. Avoiding any public communications at all if possible. This HN comment from a PagerDuty employee is also particularly damning https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845985 ¹https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845278
- jsmthrowaway 9y agoWhile you and the sources you link to are generally correct, you should probably disclose your relationship with Linode when you make these comments -- namely that you were involved with, and successfully prosecuted for, one of the more serious of the five. You also lost any semblance of moral footing when you dumped the customer data that you extracted to the public. Reading your comment with that context changes it slightly; given that since said prosecution you've taken every opportunity to speak negatively about Linode that you can, I feel it's important context to have. I know you've spoken openly in the past about it, but a lot of folks reading now will not have seen those threads. I'm not saying I disagree. To prove that, for the record, I informed Linode leadership that ColdFusion admin being world-accessible was a bad idea several years before you and your 'team' were even aware of Linode, and I and another employee proposed replacing ColdFusion long before you flippantly suggested that it doesn't take years[0]. (Try running a hosting provider at medium scale.) I've been just as critical long after leaving Linode as an employee -- I saw oversights like mgreb:mgreb1221 being a full-admin user on world-accessible db1.linode.com for many years with the password in crons, for example -- so please don't interpret me as disparaging your opinion, only your trying to have it both ways with a very clear conflict of interest, and turning your takedown of Linode into a potential annoyance for me and thousands of other people. And yes, I know the key passphrase that you never recovered, despite your public assertions to the contrary. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845462 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845462
- nitrix 9y ago14! is quite old. 87178291200 years in fact.
- jarcoal 9y agoYou missed an opportunity for a good pun.
- martey 9y ago> Block Storage Volumes are highly available, fast, and inexpensive – $0.10 per GB (free during the beta). This is significantly more expensive than AWS S3 or Google Cloud Storage. The last time S3 charged similar prices was in January 2014: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/aws-update-new-m3-features-reduced-ebs-prices-reduced-s3-prices/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/aws-update-new-m3-features-... edit: I'm keeping this comment up in case other people have the same confusion I did.
- misframer 9y agoThis is more like EBS on AWS, which is also $0.10 / GB-month for gp2 volumes.
- minxomat 9y agoThat's pretty standard pricing (look at DO block storage or Vultr's offerings). Keep in mind that this is true block storage, not document or object storage. You can mount object storage, sure-but it's always going to be less reliable than actual block storage.
- tw04 9y agoBlock storage is completely different from object storage (S3). You're comparing apples and Volkswagens. This competes with ebs, except with more redundancy.
- lovelearning 9y agoI think this is a bit misleading. In my experience, EBS/S3 and GCS expenses are dominated by data transfer costs. Linode is providing 1 to 20 TB data transfer free with the compute. While comparing, we'd have to compare (one Linode plus block storage costs) to (one EC2/GCE node plus EBS/S3/GCS storage costs plus network transfer costs).
- quantdev 9y agoWorth the downvotes: Linode Turns 87178291200
- Walkman 9y agoI use a Linode instance for a personal OpenVPN server and the bandwith for me is at lest 2-3x bigger. This is a huge deal for me for the same price.
- Grue3 9y agoI remember being a poor student in the 00s, looking for hosting providers and Linode was a new cool kid on the block (prohibitively expensive for me though). Now a lot of things changed, and I can easily afford a VPS now, but Linode is still around and still is one of the better options. DigitalOcean is basically twice as expensive.