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do you have any evidence that your suggestions will actually improve the consumer experience or are you just suggesting killing businesses because of a gut feel

do you have any evidence that your suggestions will actually improve the consumer experience or are you just suggesting killing businesses because of a gut feeling and some anti corporate sentiment? >If we let monopolies take over, then the economy of the world will start to mirror the economies within these large corporations. None of these companies can be said to be monopolies. > We will gradually lose freedom of speech, in the same way that employees of large corporations don't have the freedom to say what they really think to their bosses. This is the slipperiest slope I've ever seen.

weirdstuff 9y ago
To my mind, something as subjective as consumer experience is difficult to objectively measure. I'm not sure what would count as valid evidence.
- wayn3 9y ago
  i believe that happy customers would count as valid evidence. when i use google or amazon, im usually pretty happy with the service they provide. when i have to stand at a walmart cashier for half an hour while the lady has to yell for the manager because she needs to issue a $1.20 refund, im not as happy. when I have to go to the library of alexandria to find a piece of infomration that im looking for but then they tell me that it burned down 2000 odd years ago, im not as happy.
  - weirdstuff 9y ago
    Right, but how to measure that? For example, do we know a company's customers are happy because the company has grown to be large? Like Comcast. Comcast has a lot of customers, maybe they're happy ones? Otherwise how did Comcast grow to that size? (See what I'm hinting at?) There are different interpretations of Comcast's success at customer growth and retention.
    - wayn3 9y ago
      its because comcast is a monopoly. google was not a monopoly when it became popular. it was the idiot 12th search engine that nobody needed. i get what youre saying, but its pretty obvious why a company gets big. its either holding some form of monopoly or people want it. there are not many other options to be honest. you dont become the most popular car manufacturer by producing a bullshit product that people neither need nor want. besides, why is comcast even a negative example? why did you pick that? its because you KNOW FOR A FACT that everyone hates comcast. even I know that. and i have nothing to do with america. people hate comcast. that may as well be a dictionary example sentence for the word "hate". how do we know that everyone hates comcast? because people say so every single day. just measure that. if you want to know whether a company is loved or hated, just ask their customers.
- friedman23 9y ago
  We can't measure it perfectly but there exist statistics that we can at least say approximate it. One of which is price and currently there are price wars occurring all the time between the tech giants.
rdlecler1 9y ago
If Google doesn't have an effective monopoly then I don't think I understand the word. The only search engine relavant to my search results is Google and I don't here to many people talking about optimizing their SEO for bing.
- friedman23 9y ago
  Google is not a search company they are an advertising company. Their search product is a value add, it is the reason people go to google but it is also not what they sell. A business with a monopoly can raise the cost of their product to the price the market can bear. Google cannot raise the cost of their ads because advertisers will simply go to other ad platforms. TLDR: Google is selling space on its website for advertisements. They do not have a monopoly on that. If they put their search behind a paywall Bing, Duckduckgo, etc will replace them.
  - lumost 9y ago
    While Google monetizes its core web properties such as google, gmail, and youtube via a closed advertising system. That doesn't mean the worth of the company is held in AdWords. If Google decided to shutter AdWords and use a third party the third party would still need to pay billions per year for exclusivity. However, Google does leverage their ad business into non-google properties via vertical integration eg. I can buy ads on CNN via AdWords but I can't buy ads on Google search from DataXu or other DSPs.
  - rdlecler1 9y ago
    You say that "a business with a monopoly can raise the cost of their product to the price the market can bear" which seems to be exactly what Google has achieved with their competitive pricing model. If they charged more then they would lose buisiness. If they charged less they'd be leaving money on the table. This leaves no room for a competitor and therefore it is a monopoly, both in theory and in practice no matter how hard you want to argue against it.
  - raarts 9y ago
    They do have a monopoly in search. If they decide to delist you, you're f*cked.

weirdstuff 9y ago

To my mind, something as subjective as consumer experience is difficult to objectively measure. I'm not sure what would count as valid evidence.

wayn3 9y ago
i believe that happy customers would count as valid evidence. when i use google or amazon, im usually pretty happy with the service they provide. when i have to stand at a walmart cashier for half an hour while the lady has to yell for the manager because she needs to issue a $1.20 refund, im not as happy. when I have to go to the library of alexandria to find a piece of infomration that im looking for but then they tell me that it burned down 2000 odd years ago, im not as happy.
- weirdstuff 9y ago
  Right, but how to measure that? For example, do we know a company's customers are happy because the company has grown to be large? Like Comcast. Comcast has a lot of customers, maybe they're happy ones? Otherwise how did Comcast grow to that size? (See what I'm hinting at?) There are different interpretations of Comcast's success at customer growth and retention.
  - wayn3 9y ago
    its because comcast is a monopoly. google was not a monopoly when it became popular. it was the idiot 12th search engine that nobody needed. i get what youre saying, but its pretty obvious why a company gets big. its either holding some form of monopoly or people want it. there are not many other options to be honest. you dont become the most popular car manufacturer by producing a bullshit product that people neither need nor want. besides, why is comcast even a negative example? why did you pick that? its because you KNOW FOR A FACT that everyone hates comcast. even I know that. and i have nothing to do with america. people hate comcast. that may as well be a dictionary example sentence for the word "hate". how do we know that everyone hates comcast? because people say so every single day. just measure that. if you want to know whether a company is loved or hated, just ask their customers.
friedman23 9y ago
We can't measure it perfectly but there exist statistics that we can at least say approximate it. One of which is price and currently there are price wars occurring all the time between the tech giants.

rdlecler1 9y ago

If Google doesn't have an effective monopoly then I don't think I understand the word. The only search engine relavant to my search results is Google and I don't here to many people talking about optimizing their SEO for bing.

friedman23 9y ago
Google is not a search company they are an advertising company. Their search product is a value add, it is the reason people go to google but it is also not what they sell. A business with a monopoly can raise the cost of their product to the price the market can bear. Google cannot raise the cost of their ads because advertisers will simply go to other ad platforms. TLDR: Google is selling space on its website for advertisements. They do not have a monopoly on that. If they put their search behind a paywall Bing, Duckduckgo, etc will replace them.
- lumost 9y ago
  While Google monetizes its core web properties such as google, gmail, and youtube via a closed advertising system. That doesn't mean the worth of the company is held in AdWords. If Google decided to shutter AdWords and use a third party the third party would still need to pay billions per year for exclusivity. However, Google does leverage their ad business into non-google properties via vertical integration eg. I can buy ads on CNN via AdWords but I can't buy ads on Google search from DataXu or other DSPs.
- rdlecler1 9y ago
  You say that "a business with a monopoly can raise the cost of their product to the price the market can bear" which seems to be exactly what Google has achieved with their competitive pricing model. If they charged more then they would lose buisiness. If they charged less they'd be leaving money on the table. This leaves no room for a competitor and therefore it is a monopoly, both in theory and in practice no matter how hard you want to argue against it.
- raarts 9y ago
  They do have a monopoly in search. If they decide to delist you, you're f*cked.