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This smells more like you're frustrated with "business as usual" these days and less Apple specifically. Every org I have been with has had to maintain a level

This smells more like you're frustrated with "business as usual" these days and less Apple specifically. Every org I have been with has had to maintain a level of "can't resolve 100% of the numerous customer complaints, because gotta ship." Can't Tim be pointing to a path forward? Why so negative. If they can't fix it all today, they're not good at their work, and completely incompetent?

_red 9y ago
I'm sympathetic to that idea and feel like it could potentially hold a lot of weight, yet Tim did turn the tech juggernaut he was bequeathed into a watch band and sticker company.
- askafriend 9y ago
  > yet Tim did turn the tech juggernaut he was bequeathed into a watch band and sticker company. That's such an incredibly simplistic view of Apple's strategy. I expected more out of the HN crowd. I honestly think the moderation team should crack down more on these types of casual and innocuous statements that provide no value that they might as well be memes. It's so incredibly easy to trivialize anything, especially when you don't understand it - and you see this happening more as a forum or subreddit grows bigger and the audience gets broader and less informed. It's frustrating to say the least because instead of an actually interesting conversation, we're left with this drivel which isn't even fun to respond to or even entertain as a thought.
  - ErikBjare 9y ago
    > I expected more out of the HN crowd. Don't underestimate the variance in small samples (especially when the sample size is 1). The best thing you can do it is to not respond, or create a well argued thread about it, at least then it's on neutral ground.
  - culturalzero 9y ago
    It's ironic, and hilarious frankly, that your reply about vapidity was much more vapid than what you were complaining about. Why don't you offer something of substance rather than complaining about substance.You are part of the 'HN crowd' you speak of and what you contribute literally forms part of this living, breathing community.
    - vapid8y98797 9y ago
      They irony here being that attacking others isn't at all "something of substance". Anger troll undermines anger troll
    - askafriend 9y ago
      I specifically wanted to call out this particular statement because it can be so innocuous and it served as a great example of the problem I've been seeing more and more in comments. I specifically wanted to float the idea about moderation intervention as a possible solution to the problem I pointed out. It's perhaps not the best solution, but it's a starting point. How many more "Facebook is stupid and evil, Apple no innovation lol watch bands" statements should we suffer through as a community?
      - _red 9y ago
        Fair enough. Yet I think you must ask yourself: Why does something become a successful meme? I would argue that memes are, in effect, a form of data compression that condenses a (A) wide scope of information, that (B) many people feel is true into (C) a very small nugget of memorable text. So, I could've spent a few paragraphs arguing the lack of meaningful product development, highlight the overlapping and often confusing product catalog (iPad, iPad Pro, iPad Pro 13", iPad Air, MacBook, MacBook Air, etc etc). Spent a few more sentences talking about Beats acquisition, Apple Music, etc....but in the end it saves everyone time to just say "Watch Bands + Stickers" and the meme imbues the rest. I think you'd agree that its not the use of a meme that bothers you, but its the use of a meme that you don't agree with, yet still holds an uncomfortable truth in it. For instance, if the meme was about how Elon Musk was upsetting the entrenched oil oligarchs, I doubt you'd want that censored.

_red 9y ago

I'm sympathetic to that idea and feel like it could potentially hold a lot of weight, yet Tim did turn the tech juggernaut he was bequeathed into a watch band and sticker company.

askafriend 9y ago
> yet Tim did turn the tech juggernaut he was bequeathed into a watch band and sticker company. That's such an incredibly simplistic view of Apple's strategy. I expected more out of the HN crowd. I honestly think the moderation team should crack down more on these types of casual and innocuous statements that provide no value that they might as well be memes. It's so incredibly easy to trivialize anything, especially when you don't understand it - and you see this happening more as a forum or subreddit grows bigger and the audience gets broader and less informed. It's frustrating to say the least because instead of an actually interesting conversation, we're left with this drivel which isn't even fun to respond to or even entertain as a thought.
- ErikBjare 9y ago
  > I expected more out of the HN crowd. Don't underestimate the variance in small samples (especially when the sample size is 1). The best thing you can do it is to not respond, or create a well argued thread about it, at least then it's on neutral ground.
- culturalzero 9y ago
  It's ironic, and hilarious frankly, that your reply about vapidity was much more vapid than what you were complaining about. Why don't you offer something of substance rather than complaining about substance.You are part of the 'HN crowd' you speak of and what you contribute literally forms part of this living, breathing community.
  - vapid8y98797 9y ago
    They irony here being that attacking others isn't at all "something of substance". Anger troll undermines anger troll
  - askafriend 9y ago
    I specifically wanted to call out this particular statement because it can be so innocuous and it served as a great example of the problem I've been seeing more and more in comments. I specifically wanted to float the idea about moderation intervention as a possible solution to the problem I pointed out. It's perhaps not the best solution, but it's a starting point. How many more "Facebook is stupid and evil, Apple no innovation lol watch bands" statements should we suffer through as a community?
    - _red 9y ago
      Fair enough. Yet I think you must ask yourself: Why does something become a successful meme? I would argue that memes are, in effect, a form of data compression that condenses a (A) wide scope of information, that (B) many people feel is true into (C) a very small nugget of memorable text. So, I could've spent a few paragraphs arguing the lack of meaningful product development, highlight the overlapping and often confusing product catalog (iPad, iPad Pro, iPad Pro 13", iPad Air, MacBook, MacBook Air, etc etc). Spent a few more sentences talking about Beats acquisition, Apple Music, etc....but in the end it saves everyone time to just say "Watch Bands + Stickers" and the meme imbues the rest. I think you'd agree that its not the use of a meme that bothers you, but its the use of a meme that you don't agree with, yet still holds an uncomfortable truth in it. For instance, if the meme was about how Elon Musk was upsetting the entrenched oil oligarchs, I doubt you'd want that censored.