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> You have deeply misunderstood me. You're probably right, then maybe let's back up. I'm saying that it's delusional to say "I live in" instead of "I sleep in"

> You have deeply misunderstood me. You're probably right, then maybe let's back up. I'm saying that it's delusional to say "I live in" instead of "I sleep in". Describing just your bedroom isn't the same as describing your living space unless you actually have no other space available, and I just do not believe that to be the case for the author because the author didn't mention it. And it's definitely the sort of thing that one would mention when writing something like this if it were the case. And then I further said, from experience, that 80ft2 is just plenty of space for one person's bedroom. And I described the experience showing that even two people can fit in that space without problems relating to storing things. I then said as a follow-on that the hot pro tips given in the original post are entirely useless, and that the displayed "don't put things away" mindset is evidence of him not actually being tight on space to begin with. The article really just sounds like a kid showing up to the same small university dorm that millions of other people went through and thinking that he's a special genius because...what...because he bought a corner desk through Amazon? Please. > when it comes to calculating space to compare to the article, what matters is how many square feet are dedicated to the place(s) where you put the bed and the desk. We can go there if you want, but you're leaving out that that's also per person. > it sounds like after subtracting the bathroom you actually had more space than the article's 80sqft. It sounds like you forgot to divide by two. > And a bathroom easily fits in less than 38sqft. I'm going to assume you meant to include kitchenette as well in that. You'd be surprised how quickly square footage adds up. And you still at the end have to divide the space by the number of people, because nearly every thing isn't shared between partners though they are sharing the spaces. Even the bed needs to be twice as large if you want to not go insane in the process.

Dylan16807 9y ago
> I'm saying that it's delusional to say "I live in" instead of "I sleep in". He has his desk in the bedroom. I don't see any reason to assume he uses other rooms unless he mentions them. > It sounds like you forgot to divide by two. It seemed like you were unimpressed by the space itself. > The article really just sounds like a kid showing up to the same small university dorm that millions of other people went through and thinking that he's a special genius because...what...because he bought a corner desk through Amazon? Please. I won't disagree there. > And then I further said, from experience, that 80ft2 is just plenty of space for one person's bedroom. And I described the experience showing that even two people can fit in that space without problems relating to storing things. Okay, that's fine then if you were calling your experience comparable. It really seemed to me like you were saying your past experience was significantly smaller. If you weren't doing that, then I apologize and have no further argument.
- BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
  > I don't see any reason to assume he uses other rooms unless he mentions them. My eyes are rolling so hard they might get arrested. > It seemed like you were unimpressed by the space itself. I am. > It really seemed to me like you were saying your past experience was significantly smaller. It was. You're still forgetting to divide the non-bathroom and cooking space by two. Let's be really generous and say that my bathroom and kitchenette were made for ants and took up zero space instead of probably ~28ft2 (3x8 + 2x2). This is of course not true, but it gives an upper bound on the possible square feet per person, 59. Of course if you subtract that 28 first, you end up with 45. And of course let us not forget that 3/4 of one wall had a 45 degree inward slant. So that wall is entirely unusable, as is the space above it.
  - Dylan16807 9y ago
    If you want to yawn about the space itself, then I won't divide by two. > My eyes are rolling so hard they might get arrested. It's not unreasonable to think he lives out of a single room, and I want to give him a tiny bit of credit to think he's not the worst blog-writer in the world.
    - BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
      > If you want to yawn about the space itself, then I won't divide by two. Area(really volume)-per-one-occupant's-reasonable-belongings-and-bed-space-needs-times-the-number-of-occupants is the metric that matters. If he were three people instead of one then it would be different. If he had a child, then it would be different. If he had a dog, then it would be different. But he doesn't. He's sleeping alone in a moderate-size bedroom, something that many people do without bragging about it, and publicly patting himself on the back for buying a computer desk and shelves. > It's not unreasonable to think he lives out of a single room It is, because that's not what he does. He sleeps, computes, and dresses himself (let's assume) in a single room. He necessarily excretes and washes (and probably eats) somewhere else unless he has those facilities in the room and just accidentally failed to mention it in his excitement over living in the 21st century. Sleep is only a fraction of domesticity. Though I admit it's possible that he's also that guy with the anti-bathing blog who complains that women discriminate against him by not fellating him just because he smells bad. > I want to give him a tiny bit of credit to think he's not the worst blog-writer in the world. Given the amount of space he spends delighting in having finally discovered Amazon, I don't feel so generous. But I'm also just mean about things like this.

Dylan16807 9y ago

> I'm saying that it's delusional to say "I live in" instead of "I sleep in". He has his desk in the bedroom. I don't see any reason to assume he uses other rooms unless he mentions them. > It sounds like you forgot to divide by two. It seemed like you were unimpressed by the space itself. > The article really just sounds like a kid showing up to the same small university dorm that millions of other people went through and thinking that he's a special genius because...what...because he bought a corner desk through Amazon? Please. I won't disagree there. > And then I further said, from experience, that 80ft2 is just plenty of space for one person's bedroom. And I described the experience showing that even two people can fit in that space without problems relating to storing things. Okay, that's fine then if you were calling your experience comparable. It really seemed to me like you were saying your past experience was significantly smaller. If you weren't doing that, then I apologize and have no further argument.

BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
> I don't see any reason to assume he uses other rooms unless he mentions them. My eyes are rolling so hard they might get arrested. > It seemed like you were unimpressed by the space itself. I am. > It really seemed to me like you were saying your past experience was significantly smaller. It was. You're still forgetting to divide the non-bathroom and cooking space by two. Let's be really generous and say that my bathroom and kitchenette were made for ants and took up zero space instead of probably ~28ft2 (3x8 + 2x2). This is of course not true, but it gives an upper bound on the possible square feet per person, 59. Of course if you subtract that 28 first, you end up with 45. And of course let us not forget that 3/4 of one wall had a 45 degree inward slant. So that wall is entirely unusable, as is the space above it.
- Dylan16807 9y ago
  If you want to yawn about the space itself, then I won't divide by two. > My eyes are rolling so hard they might get arrested. It's not unreasonable to think he lives out of a single room, and I want to give him a tiny bit of credit to think he's not the worst blog-writer in the world.
  - BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
    > If you want to yawn about the space itself, then I won't divide by two. Area(really volume)-per-one-occupant's-reasonable-belongings-and-bed-space-needs-times-the-number-of-occupants is the metric that matters. If he were three people instead of one then it would be different. If he had a child, then it would be different. If he had a dog, then it would be different. But he doesn't. He's sleeping alone in a moderate-size bedroom, something that many people do without bragging about it, and publicly patting himself on the back for buying a computer desk and shelves. > It's not unreasonable to think he lives out of a single room It is, because that's not what he does. He sleeps, computes, and dresses himself (let's assume) in a single room. He necessarily excretes and washes (and probably eats) somewhere else unless he has those facilities in the room and just accidentally failed to mention it in his excitement over living in the 21st century. Sleep is only a fraction of domesticity. Though I admit it's possible that he's also that guy with the anti-bathing blog who complains that women discriminate against him by not fellating him just because he smells bad. > I want to give him a tiny bit of credit to think he's not the worst blog-writer in the world. Given the amount of space he spends delighting in having finally discovered Amazon, I don't feel so generous. But I'm also just mean about things like this.