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Dasung Paperlike Pro: E-Ink Monitor with HDMI connector [video]
- carlob 9y agoA review from one year ago https://the-digital-reader.com/2016/05/16/second-gen-dasung-paperlike-e-ink-monitor-ships-now-available-at-retail/ https://the-digital-reader.com/2016/05/16/second-gen-dasung-... the price tag seems to be $1300
- fragmede 9y agoFor an older model, which didn't have HDMI. The linked blog actually discusses Dasung's third-generation product at https://the-digital-reader.com/2017/06/02/dasung-paperlike-pro-monitor-features-faster-response-times-video-carta-e-ink-scren/ https://the-digital-reader.com/2017/06/02/dasung-paperlike-p... and mentions that the previous gen's product price was $700 on Indiegogo, and says they don't know what this unit's price will be.
- keehun 9y agoHere's their real website: http://www.dasung.com/english/ http://www.dasung.com/english/ I cannot wait for the day when large e-ink displays are cheap, or as cheap as normal screens, and have faster refresh rates.
- gravypod 9y agoI just want an 8.5" x 11" version that is portable, runs Linux, and can open PDFs. For reading papers you wouldn't be able to beat it.
- fragmede 9y agoSony makes one, https://www.sony.com/electronics/digital-paper-notepad https://www.sony.com/electronics/digital-paper-notepad for $700 but it's a product being sold to consumers, so tinkering with the underlying OS (reputed to be Linux, in the form of Android) isn't supported. (There are a number of other 8.5"x11" eink PDF readers out there.)
- gravypod 9y agoThe Digital Paper Notepad is a discontinued product. What other 8.5"x11" eink readers are there?
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- 0x45696e6172 9y ago13.3", 2200x1650 pixels http://ereader-store.de/en/77-onyx-boox-max-carta.html http://ereader-store.de/en/77-onyx-boox-max-carta.html
- goldenkey 9y agoPlease don't spread disinformation. The new one was just released and is available for pre-order on Amazon. The refresh rate is supposed to be fast enough to watch videos and read books without lag. I have already pre-ordered one and can't wait to get it. It will be great for reading mathematics books in PDF form. http://amzn.to/2sg3Db6 http://amzn.to/2sg3Db6
- mynewtb 9y agoThey are releasing the successor this month.
- goldenkey 9y agoThat is the old model. The new model was just released and is available for pre-order, shipping late June/ early July. Here is the pre-order page on Amazon: http://amzn.to/2sg3Db6 http://amzn.to/2sg3Db6
- mabbo 9y agoApart from the "Runs Linux" you might be able to find a Kindle DX. And then you might be able to hack it to run Linux. I bought one used in university and would use it for reading PDFs. Really slow refresh rate, but who cares if you're just reading big pages?
- j_s 9y agoAsk HN: Cheap, hackable e-reader? | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13863046 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13863046 E Ink announces a full color electrophoretic ePaper display | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11766073 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11766073 https://GetRemarkable.com https://GetRemarkable.com $480 pre-order | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13113819 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13113819
- m-p-3 9y agoI have the reMarkable on my watchlist, and I'm eager to see it in action and play a little bit with it before I commit to a purchase.
- dragonwriter 9y ago> I cannot wait for the day when large e-ink displays are cheap, or as cheap as normal screens, and have faster refresh rates. I'd settle for cheap; I'd really like it as a second screen for mostly static documents, even if it can't have the refresh rate to be a primary display.
- TurboHaskal 9y agoThis is an ACME's user wet dream.
- rrggrr 9y agoGosh. I would buy this in a second if the price was a bit less and I was sure the durability/lifespan was good. The reduced eye strain benefits. I really want this.
- mrob 9y agoWhat's the mechanism of action behind the reduced eye strain, and why is e-ink needed to achieve it? Lack of flicker? True of any non-PWMed monitor. Reduced brightness or contrast? Conventional displays can be turned down to match e-ink. Lack of subpixels? High DPI displays make subpixels invisible under normal circumstances. Smoother spectrum white? I doubt this makes a difference, but it's not completely implausible, because the eye does have some chromatic aberration. But greyscale LCDs are available. Lack of polarization? Polarization is visible (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haidinger's_brush https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haidinger's_brush ), but it's a very minor effect. It seems unlikely that something so difficult to see could cause eye strain. OLED displays don't show this effect.
- tinco 9y agoReduced brightness at maintained contrast.
- mojomark 9y agoAnyone interested in e-ink displays may also the PrintLess Plans product of interest: https://www.printlessplans.com https://www.printlessplans.com
- mrmondo 9y agoI was an early backer of their last USB based monitor, it is truly useless - very poor refresh rate, highly overpriced, poorly written drivers, clunky construction and the list goes on and on.... it ended up as quite a large waste of money. However, I do hope that the new version will succeed, I love reading on eink screens and I truly wish I had a decent, high resolution / DPI, fast refreshing eink display that would take DisplayPort and 'just work'.
- xexers 9y agoObviously the refresh rate is the most painful part of these screens. Is there much hope they can improve that?
- cordite 9y agoHey a sibling backer! I agree, it quickly became a gimmick, and such has been face down on a counter top since I got it. It is slow, it seems to use more CPU, and the stand that came with it is a joke. At least they had VESA mounts on it, that kept me interested another week. One problem is that it gets this greasy look after an hour or so and you have to manually interact with it to clear it up with the buttons. It would be nice to use an existing display cable, HDMI, DP, whatever, and plug it in without a further thought. Let the GPU shuffle the bits around the wire.
- jlpom 9y agoIf you wish to use an e-ink screen to avoid eyes strain, I've recently learned that a video projector does have the avantages of a classic monitor (colors, good refresh rate) without having to watch directly at the source of light, thus avoiding eyes fatigue. I consider it to be a better tradeoff than working with an annoying delay as if you were using a 10 years old computer.
- anotheryou 9y agoHow does backlit of reflected make a difference? Light comes of the screen/projection and hits the eye. I don't see how the light would change with that bounce by projection.
- jlpom 9y agoIt's notre direct light - starring at the sun (extreme example) severly hurt your eyes while watching at shadows is not a problem.
- mrob 9y agoFor a non-PWMed high DPI monitor adjusted to match the e-ink's brightness and contrast, the only difference in the light hitting your eye is the spectrum and the polarization. It's not completely impossible for these to matter, because of interactions with optical imperfections of the eye, but I've never seen any evidence that it actually does matter.
- anotheryou 9y agoYou make one good point for e-paper though: paper is always adjusted to the room lights.
- bobajeff 9y agoWhat about blue light? I've been hearing about that being a problem lately.
- akavel 9y agoI wonder why Pixel Qi didn't become popular enough to fit this niche and not die as a company - seems to have many benefits over e-ink, including refresh rate and some colors: https://the-digital-reader.com/2015/01/12/reports-death-pixel-qi-somewhat-exaggerated/ https://the-digital-reader.com/2015/01/12/reports-death-pixe...
- seltzered_ 9y agoI tried to follow pixel qi closely, my guess is that they were focused more on the portables market and not getting enough traction in that area. Outside of being sold in the OLPC, they were sold at small volumes on sparkfun as diy panels to install into netbooks and in the nearly failed notion ink tablet, they were also in some ruggedized windows tablets made for industrial/military use. I'd have to find the old videos with Mary-Lou Jepsen, but before they went out of business it was around when the iPad retina came out and they were focusing on retina screens. As far as the screen itself, while it seemingly had some trans reflective properties it was also doing it on a TN, not IPS, panel, so it had that problem where holding it vertically would introduce that odd gradient across the screen. Today I'm more curious about clearink which showed up out of nowhere at the society for information display conference this year with a new outdoor readable technology: https://youtu.be/9aEYT79-vuo https://youtu.be/9aEYT79-vuo
- joecool1029 9y ago> I wonder why Pixel Qi didn't become popular enough to fit this niche and not die as a company I dunno, maybe you could hit up Toshiba and ask them why they stopped putting transreflective screens on their laptops as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXO7u6bzVGQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXO7u6bzVGQ
- WaxProlix 9y agoAs someone who jumped at the chance to have the best of all possible worlds and snagged up a NI Adam on release day, I can tell you that the display was harder to get used to than I'd expected. View angle was a bit odd, and all of the qualities you'd want from a color display suffered a little. That said, it wasn't the thing that killed the Adam - that was the weird approach to PR combined with lack of delivery on device-specific software.
- hultner 9y agoDoes anyone know if there's a hack for Kobos or Kindles that allows for similar? Or connect a keyboard. I'd love to be able to attach a tmux session on my Kobo Glo HD and write with a bluetooth keyboard outside in the summer.
- mabbo 9y agoI've heard you can root a Kindle, but the latency on those screens is only appropriate for an e-reader, where flipping a page is the only real change.
- Crespyl 9y agoKobos have proven to be pretty hackable, IIRC someone on the mobileread developers forum got Debian running on one, so ssh/tmux should be possible. The refresh rate is pretty low though, even for a text based terminal, I suspect interactive use would suffer.
- upofadown 9y ago> "No blue light" Well no light of any type really. If your room light source has blue light then you get blue light. The difference here is that you normally can't adjust the colour balance of your room light. You usually can dim down the blue light on a light emitting display.
- jpindar 9y agoBTW, Phillips Hue lights, which do let you adjust the color balance of your room light, are great. Even if you don't go for obviously colored light, just being able to change the color temperature of white light is nice.
- jlebrech 9y agoDIY Alphasmart clone here I come.
- jlebrech 9y agoPerfect for an xlib based window manager.
- c517402 9y agoOne place I worked had indirect solar spectrum light that bounced light off the ceiling. That really seemed to keep my eyes from getting tired.
- bicubic 9y agoCan you describe that in a bit more detail? Links? I'd love something like that.
- c517402 9y agoThis was a very old workspace. About every two cubicles there was a 15"x15"x8" box that sat on top of the cubicle wall and took about a minute to come up to full brightness. The top of the box was open and light reflected off the ceiling tiles down to the work area. I don't know who made them. They generated a fair amount of heat, but not enough to be uncomfortable. Twenty years ago they were probably twenty years old. In the five years I was there I never saw one burn out.
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- johnhattan 9y agoSeems like it'd be a good screen for a system that's intended for use outdoors. A lot of surveying hardware hooks up to a conventional laptop, but it's difficult to see laptop screens in full sunlight, and you either have to put a shade over the screen or leave the laptop in the cab of the truck. How does E-Ink compare to LCD in temperature range?
- agentultra 9y agoA purpose-built laptop that just runs emacs at init and uses one of these as the display. I would buy one so hard. Hoping the ReMarkable will be simple enough hack that I could hook it up to my own cloud and use it as a terminal device. Would be nice to sketch lemmas in my handwriting and have a gesture recognition system pick it up and run it past a theorem prover, get back results. etc. I'm awaiting the arrival of e-ink displays on laptops.
- Numberwang 9y agoYou speak my language. Another thing I want is an e-ink only phone. I think for sure there is a market for that type of device.
- speps 9y agoI loved my Motofone[0], it was dirt cheap (paid £10 for it without contract or SIM) and lasted ages (~2 weeks) on battery. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Fone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Fone
- tmerse 9y agoHave a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/embed/ni2czAM2NDU?feature=oembed https://www.youtube.com/embed/ni2czAM2NDU?feature=oembed
- ethereal_int 9y agoSilly question, but why not use a e-ink tablet like the nook? With a bluetooth keyboard and termux/jupyter working on android it should still work fine as a terminal device. Though I have no experience with them and I might be wrong
- Animats 9y agoIs this for real? "1233% funded on July 2, 2016", and they're not shipping 11 months later. They're not making e-ink panels; they just add a bezel and controller. The actual display may be an E-Ink Mobius.[1] That's 1600x1200 pixels on a 13.3" panel. The prototype they're showing may come from the dev kit for E-Ink. They'd just need to add an HDMI interface and repurpose a case from some other display. E-Ink is a neat technology, but it still costs far too much per unit area compared to competing technologies. That's why big E-Ink displays are so rare. [1] http://www.eink.com/display_products_mobius.html http://www.eink.com/display_products_mobius.html
- dogma1138 9y agoI think they have more problems to solve. I'm not sure how well eInk will survive the relatively extreme refresh rates that a PC interface would require even if you cap it at 30hz/fps it would still be orders of magnitude more than what any eInk display currently on the market will experience. Early LCDs had similar problems with pixels getting stuck and dying, from the data sheets which are available (they are quite old) for eInk displays their life span simply cannot coexist with a PC UI interface. Even if the life span improved I'm guessing these guys had to optimize a lot of things including adding a scaled and a composer that would only refresh the pixels that absolutely must be refreshed in order to get any reasonable lifespan from these. And I'm still not sure these would last anywhere near the time frame one would expect from a 1000$+ monitor with daily use.
- singularity2001 9y agoThe new Onyx book will get HDMI too at the end of the year. Plus you can use it as an android tablet with pen.
- goldenkey 9y agoSony has just released a new Digital Paper tablet with option pen-cover. It is available for pre-order and shipping in late June/early July. I have pre-ordered it and plan to use it for reading mathematics book PDFs. The refresh rate should be a lot faster than anything on the market currently. Pre-order here: http://amzn.to/2sg3Db6 http://amzn.to/2sg3Db6
- m-p-3 9y agoI wished they made bigger versions for digital signage.