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I wonder if events like this turn Uber employees who leave around this time into a market of lemons. Obviously nobody will put on their resume that they were fi

I wonder if events like this turn Uber employees who leave around this time into a market of lemons. Obviously nobody will put on their resume that they were fired for sexual harassment so hiring managers will have to wonder if a person who left Uber recently was fed up or fired. Seems risky to hire a recent Uber employee at this point because bringing a toxic sexist into the company can inflict massive damage.

ASinclair 9y ago
The easy way to avoid this would be to hire people still employed by Uber. I'd say most people don't quit their job then start the interviewing process. Usually people quit once they have a new job lined up.
- tedivm 9y ago
  I have the exact opposite experience- most of the people I know here in the bay area embrace "funemployment" by having a break between leaving their jobs and getting a new one. At a minimum I wouldn't use it as a heuristic for whether the person is hirable or not.
  - sushid 9y ago
    The "funemployment" part is true, but that's usually after they secured a job and plan on starting with a bit of a break. Otherwise their "funemployment" would be plagued with job interviews and prep.
    - mdpye 9y ago
      I've left all of my previous posts without anything lined up and taken a few months. Even once in to the interview cycle at the end, it's a lot more relaxing (and flexible) than doing them while employed!
  - wikibob 9y ago
    I've wondered how common this is in the bay. Can you expand on this with an anecdote or two? Do the people who you know that have done this seem to ever have problems getting hired again?
    - dllthomas 9y ago
      I just did this (left Uber, actually, a month and change ago). Found something since. "Why'd you leave" questions weren't any harder than "why are you leaving" questions.
macspoofing 9y ago
>Seems risky to hire a recent Uber employee at this point because bringing a toxic sexist into the company can inflict massive damage. Jesus. They are still people. You want to ostracize them from all society and prevent them from earning a living in their chosen career? 'Sexual harassment' is also a catch-all term that can encompass all kinds of actions. It could involve a clueless, inexperienced 20-something asking out his co-worker and misreading her signals - fuck that guy right? Throw him out of society and forget him forever, right? And I have yet to see any evidence for this "toxic sexist" atmosphere that apparently is part of the Uber culture. This isn't it. 20 people were fired out of 12,000.
- sulam 9y ago
  I have independently verified Susan Fowler's claim that her management chain didn't treat her case seriously. And by that I mean with a member of her management chain. If an entire chain of management and HR don't treat a claim like that seriously (no one has disputed the claim), there is absolutely a cultural problem.
  - Shank 9y ago
    > I have independently verified Susan Fowler's claim that her management chain didn't treat her case seriously. And by that I mean with a member of her management chain. Just to verify: are you an Uber employee, then?
    - sulam 9y ago
      Nope. I don't need to be to have a conversation. Of course, you could argue the person I was speaking with shouldn't have shared the information with me, but that's their concern.
      - MockObject 9y ago
        We have no way of independently verifying your claim.
tdicola 9y ago
That's why you list references from your last job and people call them to see what kind of person you were while there.
- user5994461 9y ago
  You never list references from your last job. You don't want your future company to call your current company to give them a heads up that you are leaving. For this very same reason, companies never ask for reference from your current job.
  - mdpye 9y ago
    In the UK, you tend to get an offer conditional on references, and you only provide them once you've given notice to your current place.
    - user5994461 9y ago
      That's absolutely not what's meant by "listing references". The OP is talking about listing reference, possibly on his resume or on-request, to companies he's prospecting. The UK has a custom to perform an employment and criminal check by a 3rd party company when you join a new company (after you signed a contract and already gave your notice). That's unrelated.
  - macspoofing 9y ago
    >For this very same reason, companies never ask for reference from your current job. Sure they do. They just give you an offer first and make it conditional on a reference check.
- foolfoolz 9y ago
  reference checks are useless. if you list HR they can only confirm employment. If you list your friends they going to say good things. if you list anyone else you are doing it wrong
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ASinclair 9y ago

The easy way to avoid this would be to hire people still employed by Uber. I'd say most people don't quit their job then start the interviewing process. Usually people quit once they have a new job lined up.

tedivm 9y ago
I have the exact opposite experience- most of the people I know here in the bay area embrace "funemployment" by having a break between leaving their jobs and getting a new one. At a minimum I wouldn't use it as a heuristic for whether the person is hirable or not.
- sushid 9y ago
  The "funemployment" part is true, but that's usually after they secured a job and plan on starting with a bit of a break. Otherwise their "funemployment" would be plagued with job interviews and prep.
  - mdpye 9y ago
    I've left all of my previous posts without anything lined up and taken a few months. Even once in to the interview cycle at the end, it's a lot more relaxing (and flexible) than doing them while employed!
- wikibob 9y ago
  I've wondered how common this is in the bay. Can you expand on this with an anecdote or two? Do the people who you know that have done this seem to ever have problems getting hired again?
  - dllthomas 9y ago
    I just did this (left Uber, actually, a month and change ago). Found something since. "Why'd you leave" questions weren't any harder than "why are you leaving" questions.

macspoofing 9y ago

>Seems risky to hire a recent Uber employee at this point because bringing a toxic sexist into the company can inflict massive damage. Jesus. They are still people. You want to ostracize them from all society and prevent them from earning a living in their chosen career? 'Sexual harassment' is also a catch-all term that can encompass all kinds of actions. It could involve a clueless, inexperienced 20-something asking out his co-worker and misreading her signals - fuck that guy right? Throw him out of society and forget him forever, right? And I have yet to see any evidence for this "toxic sexist" atmosphere that apparently is part of the Uber culture. This isn't it. 20 people were fired out of 12,000.

sulam 9y ago
I have independently verified Susan Fowler's claim that her management chain didn't treat her case seriously. And by that I mean with a member of her management chain. If an entire chain of management and HR don't treat a claim like that seriously (no one has disputed the claim), there is absolutely a cultural problem.
- Shank 9y ago
  > I have independently verified Susan Fowler's claim that her management chain didn't treat her case seriously. And by that I mean with a member of her management chain. Just to verify: are you an Uber employee, then?
  - sulam 9y ago
    Nope. I don't need to be to have a conversation. Of course, you could argue the person I was speaking with shouldn't have shared the information with me, but that's their concern.
    - MockObject 9y ago
      We have no way of independently verifying your claim.

tdicola 9y ago

That's why you list references from your last job and people call them to see what kind of person you were while there.

user5994461 9y ago
You never list references from your last job. You don't want your future company to call your current company to give them a heads up that you are leaving. For this very same reason, companies never ask for reference from your current job.
- mdpye 9y ago
  In the UK, you tend to get an offer conditional on references, and you only provide them once you've given notice to your current place.
  - user5994461 9y ago
    That's absolutely not what's meant by "listing references". The OP is talking about listing reference, possibly on his resume or on-request, to companies he's prospecting. The UK has a custom to perform an employment and criminal check by a 3rd party company when you join a new company (after you signed a contract and already gave your notice). That's unrelated.
- macspoofing 9y ago
  >For this very same reason, companies never ask for reference from your current job. Sure they do. They just give you an offer first and make it conditional on a reference check.
foolfoolz 9y ago
reference checks are useless. if you list HR they can only confirm employment. If you list your friends they going to say good things. if you list anyone else you are doing it wrong
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