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Safari 11.0

103 points by cpncrunch 9y ago

cpncrunch 9y ago
WebRTC is finally arriving!
ljoshua 9y ago
Love seeing WebRTC and WebAssembly in the new version! But truth be told, the only thing I really want from Safari is favicons on tabs along with page title. Kills usability for me otherwise.
- dbbk 9y ago
  Woah, WebRTC at last? They kept that one quiet.
  - MBCook 9y ago
    Hadn't some of the developers said publicly that they were in the middle of working on it sometime in the last year? It seems like I start being brought up as "under development" every time someone complained about it here on HN.
    - cpncrunch 9y ago
      Yeah, they publicly advertised for a WebRTC developer last year, so it was pretty clear they were working on it.
  - asendra 9y ago
    Not really.
- JohnTHaller 9y ago
  Wait... Safari doesn't have icons in the tabs? I thought every browser did. Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer, Edge, Opera all do.
- BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
  > the only thing I really want from Safari is favicons on tabs It's like engineers at Apple don't even use Safari. If they did, this would have been done years ago. Trying to eyeball a bunch of tabs without favicons is horrendous.
  - caiob 9y ago
    That's exactly one of the reasons I use Safari as my daily driver. Not everybody likes the shiny colorful icons. I think it looks better without it.
- buu700 9y ago
  WebRTC and wasm are really exciting to see finally land. The only thing that would've been better news for me is HPKP.
  - prathiks 9y ago
    What's HPKP
    - buu700 9y ago
      HTTP Public Key Pinning: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Public_Key_Pinning https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Public_Key...
vnglst 9y ago
Any news on Web Workers?
- MaxLeiter 9y ago
  According to https://webkit.org/status/? https://webkit.org/status/?, they're still under consideration (search `Service Workers`)
- threeseed 9y ago
  Is it not already supported ? http://caniuse.com/webworkers/embed/agents=ie,firefox,chrome,safari,ios_saf,android http://caniuse.com/webworkers/embed/agents=ie,firefox,chrome...
  - ben336 9y ago
    Parent probably meant Service Workers http://caniuse.com/ http://caniuse.com/
    - vnglst 9y ago
      Oh my, yes that's what I meant!
  - floatboth 9y ago
    They definitely meant SERVICE workers, that's still "under consideration" https://webkit.org/status/#specification-service-workers https://webkit.org/status/#specification-service-workers
hackcasual 9y ago
Great to see WebAssembly getting traction, but can't help feel it's still early days. Debugging is still a hot mess.
Signez 9y ago
Do you think that with WebRTC, we will see – at last! – some Opus support? I thought it was a requirement for WebRTC, but knowing Apple stance on newish-and-patent-free codecs, it would really surprise me (in a good way).
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- GFischer 9y ago
  Opus seems to be in: "Safari supports modern audio codecs such as Opus" https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-capture/ https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-cap...
BHSPitMonkey 9y ago
Still no Service Workers :(
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floatboth 9y ago
"Web applications saved to the home screen now support all features of modern WebKit, such as Fast-Tap, scroll snapping and the new visual viewports behavior" Holy shit, the support was that bad? Not just "no Service Workers and no Web App Manifest", but literally "not all WebKit features"?!
- untog 9y ago
  Home screen apps have gotten worse and worse over the last few releases of iOS. Glad to hear someone is paying attention, though it brings us no closer to service workers...
dvcrn 9y ago
I was hoping for a redesign with better tab management and dev tools. I am using safari as my main browser because it's just that Ressource friendly on Mac, but find myself often being jealous about chrome
etqwzutewzu 9y ago
Missing: Service Workers and web.bluetooth!
- BHSPitMonkey 9y ago
  A Web MIDI implementation would be great as well (and in keeping with Apple's usual level of attention to MIDI and other audio production niceties) but it's admittedly a pretty niche feature with very few people active in the spec outside of Chromium.
  - bastawhiz 9y ago
    When I was at Mozilla, there were a ton of folks interested in WebMIDI, but nobody had the time to work on it. A lot of folks were hoping that someone would build a polyfill but it never really came.
E7amar 9y ago
Still no favicons in tabs ? Damn it Apple.. it's 2017.
zghst 9y ago
Now this is an exciting release! Congrats Safari team, this is hot!
jensvdh 9y ago
Still no Service Workers? Safari is literally the new Internet Explorer.

103 points by cpncrunch 9y ago

WebRTC is finally arriving!

Love seeing WebRTC and WebAssembly in the new version! But truth be told, the only thing I really want from Safari is favicons on tabs along with page title. Kills usability for me otherwise.

dbbk 9y ago
Woah, WebRTC at last? They kept that one quiet.
- MBCook 9y ago
  Hadn't some of the developers said publicly that they were in the middle of working on it sometime in the last year? It seems like I start being brought up as "under development" every time someone complained about it here on HN.
  - cpncrunch 9y ago
    Yeah, they publicly advertised for a WebRTC developer last year, so it was pretty clear they were working on it.
- asendra 9y ago
  Not really.
JohnTHaller 9y ago
Wait... Safari doesn't have icons in the tabs? I thought every browser did. Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer, Edge, Opera all do.
BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
> the only thing I really want from Safari is favicons on tabs It's like engineers at Apple don't even use Safari. If they did, this would have been done years ago. Trying to eyeball a bunch of tabs without favicons is horrendous.
- caiob 9y ago
  That's exactly one of the reasons I use Safari as my daily driver. Not everybody likes the shiny colorful icons. I think it looks better without it.
buu700 9y ago
WebRTC and wasm are really exciting to see finally land. The only thing that would've been better news for me is HPKP.
- prathiks 9y ago
  What's HPKP
  - buu700 9y ago
    HTTP Public Key Pinning: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Public_Key_Pinning https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Public_Key...

vnglst 9y ago

Any news on Web Workers?

MaxLeiter 9y ago
According to https://webkit.org/status/? https://webkit.org/status/?, they're still under consideration (search `Service Workers`)
threeseed 9y ago
Is it not already supported ? http://caniuse.com/webworkers/embed/agents=ie,firefox,chrome,safari,ios_saf,android http://caniuse.com/webworkers/embed/agents=ie,firefox,chrome...
- ben336 9y ago
  Parent probably meant Service Workers http://caniuse.com/ http://caniuse.com/
  - vnglst 9y ago
    Oh my, yes that's what I meant!
- floatboth 9y ago
  They definitely meant SERVICE workers, that's still "under consideration" https://webkit.org/status/#specification-service-workers https://webkit.org/status/#specification-service-workers

hackcasual 9y ago

Great to see WebAssembly getting traction, but can't help feel it's still early days. Debugging is still a hot mess.

Signez 9y ago

Do you think that with WebRTC, we will see – at last! – some Opus support? I thought it was a requirement for WebRTC, but knowing Apple stance on newish-and-patent-free codecs, it would really surprise me (in a good way).

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GFischer 9y ago
Opus seems to be in: "Safari supports modern audio codecs such as Opus" https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-capture/ https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-cap...

BHSPitMonkey 9y ago

Still no Service Workers :(

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floatboth 9y ago

"Web applications saved to the home screen now support all features of modern WebKit, such as Fast-Tap, scroll snapping and the new visual viewports behavior" Holy shit, the support was that bad? Not just "no Service Workers and no Web App Manifest", but literally "not all WebKit features"?!

untog 9y ago
Home screen apps have gotten worse and worse over the last few releases of iOS. Glad to hear someone is paying attention, though it brings us no closer to service workers...

dvcrn 9y ago

I was hoping for a redesign with better tab management and dev tools. I am using safari as my main browser because it's just that Ressource friendly on Mac, but find myself often being jealous about chrome

etqwzutewzu 9y ago

Missing: Service Workers and web.bluetooth!

BHSPitMonkey 9y ago
A Web MIDI implementation would be great as well (and in keeping with Apple's usual level of attention to MIDI and other audio production niceties) but it's admittedly a pretty niche feature with very few people active in the spec outside of Chromium.
- bastawhiz 9y ago
  When I was at Mozilla, there were a ton of folks interested in WebMIDI, but nobody had the time to work on it. A lot of folks were hoping that someone would build a polyfill but it never really came.

E7amar 9y ago

Still no favicons in tabs ? Damn it Apple.. it's 2017.

zghst 9y ago

Now this is an exciting release! Congrats Safari team, this is hot!

jensvdh 9y ago

Still no Service Workers? Safari is literally the new Internet Explorer.