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Sounds like Mac OS would be perfect for you.

byefruit 9y ago
Indeed and I'm in a similar position the parent poster. However, OS X gets excluded because it immediately constrains my hardware purchases.
walshemj 9y ago
Apart from the apple tax and the lag in performance both IPC and in core count plus the fact that apple seems to not realy be focusing on the real power user/workstation user
- freehunter 9y ago
  >the apple tax Man how often do I hear "I don't want ads on my desktop" or "I want higher quality hardware" or "I'd pay more for a system that X" and then in the same breath someone says something ridiculous like "the apple tax". It's like in cell phones. People bemoan how expensive iPhones are and brag about how cheap you can get an Android phone. An iPhone is $600 but you can get an Android phone for $100! Then I ask which Android phone I should get and I'm told "Samsung Galaxy S8", which is the same price as an iPhone! I'm told Apple laptops are too expensive, so I ask which Windows laptop I should get and I'm told a Surface, a Thinkpad X1 Carbon, an XPS 13... all of which are exactly comparable in price with a Macbook. It's almost like "the apple tax" doesn't exist and people are just mad that Apple doesn't make cheap low quality products that the person complaining would never buy anyway.
  - byefruit 9y ago
    Not sure I agree on the cell phones at all. I have plenty of relatives who are very satisfied with their Moto Gs and for whom the alternative would have been an iPhone at 3x the price. If you want equivalent specs then sure, the prices are going to be similar but that's the whole point, with Android (and a PC) you've got a wide range of _choices_ on many parts of the specifications/price spectrum. With Apple you've got far fewer. The same goes for laptops where you listed three different manufacturers.
    - freehunter 9y ago
      So what you're saying is comparable hardware costs the same no matter if its Android or Apple, the difference is Apple doesn't make low-end devices. That is literally exactly what I said. If a Galaxy S8 and an iPhone with the same hardware costs the same price, there is no such thing as "the apple tax". None. Can't happen. They cost the same. The only difference is that Apple doesn't make anything cheaper, but google "best laptops 2017" and guess what? They all cost the same as a Macbook. So as it turns out, Apple's prices are comparable with their direct competitors. Ergo, the Apple tax doesn't exist.
      - byefruit 9y ago
        Exactly as you've said, Apple's prices are comparable with their direct competitors for similar specifications but they just don't provide a low end. If your needs are met by the low end, you're forced to pay a premium.
        freehunter 9y ago
        I originally said "It's almost like "the apple tax" doesn't exist and people are just mad that Apple doesn't make cheap low quality products" You replied "Not sure I agree on the cell phones at all." Your justification for that was "Apple's prices are comparable with their direct competitors for similar specifications but they just don't provide a low end." It is a complete non-sequitur to say they're charging you a premium to buy a high-end device if you want a low-end one. They charge exactly the same for exactly the same. Not a tax. Fact: Apple's prices are competitive with comparable devices. Fact: Apple only competes in the high end market. Not fact: Apple forces you to buy their products even if you can't afford it.
      - threeseed 9y ago
        Apple sells the Mac Mini, MacBook and iPhone SE which are fairly low end.
  - walshemj 9y ago
    For the target of the sku you'd be looking at Mac Pros which are uber expensive and have not been updated for ages also the GPU options are limited compared to a wintel workstation if you want to use CUDA etal. Laptops are an second pc for work station users sorry a MacBook "pro" is marketing speak.
  - intoverflow2 9y ago
    > Man how often do I hear "I don't want ads on my desktop" OS X has plenty of ads and nags for iCloud and Apple Music FYI. Fill up your iCloud space and it will ask you to buy more on every boot. Siri on OS X was artificially limited to only play music from Apple Music but not your iTunes library when even the iPhone 4 could play music stored in its internal app.
    - freehunter 9y ago
      Wow, if that classifies as an ad I don't even know what the definition of advertising is anymore. I want a car that doesn't come with advertising built in. Every time I'm low on gas it starts dinging and flashing lights at me, and - can you believe this, people - if I refuse to buy any more, the car won't even start! And don't get me started on what happens every 10,000 miles... demanding I change the oil! I'm not a sucker, I won't fall for their advertising!
      - addicted 9y ago
        Umm...those are the exact kind of "ads" people complain about for Windows (this is basically the exact same thing as the OneDrive info strip inside File Explorer).
        mattnewton 9y ago
        I haven't seen that- I complain about things like "edge is more resistant to malware" pop up when I opened chrome. Also low space notifications for a service I am already using would be different than advertisements for a service I am not using at all.
        likpok 9y ago
        There are similar popups for Safari on iOS, and for Chrome when you use gmail on iOS. There used to be Chrome adds on the google homepage when you hit it with a non-chrome browser, but they didn't load for me when I tried it today.
  - maxsilver 9y ago
    > People bemoan how expensive iPhones are and brag about how cheap you can get an Android phone. An iPhone is $600 but you can get an Android phone for $100! Then I ask which Android phone I should get and I'm told "Samsung Galaxy S8", which is the same price as an iPhone! I know your being facetious, but the easy answer to that question is the Moto G5 Plus, which you can pick up for $230 in most any Best Buy or Costco in the US. There are many other good choices there too. > I'm told Apple laptops are too expensive, so I ask which Windows laptop I should get and I'm told a Surface, a Thinkpad X1 Carbon, an XPS 13... all of which are exactly comparable in price with a Macbook. I don't think that's true. Apple store is down for WWDC today, but as of yesterday a 13' MacBook Pro is $1,300. The closest matching Dell XPS 13 is only $1,000. It has a lower resolution screen, but a newer gen processor and 10% more battery. ---- Fundamentally, Apple products carry a premium price. Some non-Apple products also carry a premium price (see the Surface Book as a good example). But that doesn't mean the "Apple Tax" (higher margins) aren't real, or that there aren't comparable products without it. Again, the lineup is being refreshed today, so this may all change. But the Mac Pro is the typical perfect example of this -- you can build or buy a more powerful, smaller, faster PC including licensed Windows 10 Pro for much cheaper than a Mac, literally just a small fraction of the Mac Pro's current price.
  - wolfgke 9y ago
    > I'm told Apple laptops are too expensive, so I ask which Windows laptop I should get and I'm told a Surface, a Thinkpad X1 Carbon, an XPS 13... all of which are exactly comparable in price with a Macbook. My ThinkPad is easy to repair (already did a small repair myself), has support for a docking station (currently I don't need it, but a friend loves it), has an ethernet port (I won't buy a laptop that has no ethernet ports), allows one to buy a battery (or even buy a larger battery if I prefer one), allows me to add additional RAM myself if I conclude that I need more, ...
rocky1138 9y ago
Why run Mac when he's happy with Linux? Mac is a lesser quality Linux from that standpoint.
- jetti 9y ago
  Perhaps Elementary then? Mac feel but still Linux.
  - type0 9y ago
    Why, to get the worst of both worlds?
  - FussyZeus 9y ago
    Elementary has potential but it has a LONG way to go. I noticed a lot of issues around installing really anything that didn't come with it. I don't think I was able to get Chrome on it, for example, at all.
  - toxican 9y ago
    Elementary feels like it was cobbled together to look gorgeous (and it does), but zero thought was put into performance and stability. I would take literally any other Ubuntu-derived distro over Elementary any day
- lojack 9y ago
  Because he still needs to run Windows in a VM in order to get Outlook and Adobe software. I wouldn't necessarily call it a perfect choice for him, but its worth considering if those apps are important to you.
  - PopsiclePete 9y ago
    ...and he can't run Windows in a VM on Linux because....why...?
- aanm1988 9y ago
  because desktop linux is god awful.

Indeed and I'm in a similar position the parent poster. However, OS X gets excluded because it immediately constrains my hardware purchases.

walshemj 9y ago

Apart from the apple tax and the lag in performance both IPC and in core count plus the fact that apple seems to not realy be focusing on the real power user/workstation user

freehunter 9y ago
>the apple tax Man how often do I hear "I don't want ads on my desktop" or "I want higher quality hardware" or "I'd pay more for a system that X" and then in the same breath someone says something ridiculous like "the apple tax". It's like in cell phones. People bemoan how expensive iPhones are and brag about how cheap you can get an Android phone. An iPhone is $600 but you can get an Android phone for $100! Then I ask which Android phone I should get and I'm told "Samsung Galaxy S8", which is the same price as an iPhone! I'm told Apple laptops are too expensive, so I ask which Windows laptop I should get and I'm told a Surface, a Thinkpad X1 Carbon, an XPS 13... all of which are exactly comparable in price with a Macbook. It's almost like "the apple tax" doesn't exist and people are just mad that Apple doesn't make cheap low quality products that the person complaining would never buy anyway.
- byefruit 9y ago
  Not sure I agree on the cell phones at all. I have plenty of relatives who are very satisfied with their Moto Gs and for whom the alternative would have been an iPhone at 3x the price. If you want equivalent specs then sure, the prices are going to be similar but that's the whole point, with Android (and a PC) you've got a wide range of _choices_ on many parts of the specifications/price spectrum. With Apple you've got far fewer. The same goes for laptops where you listed three different manufacturers.
  - freehunter 9y ago
    So what you're saying is comparable hardware costs the same no matter if its Android or Apple, the difference is Apple doesn't make low-end devices. That is literally exactly what I said. If a Galaxy S8 and an iPhone with the same hardware costs the same price, there is no such thing as "the apple tax". None. Can't happen. They cost the same. The only difference is that Apple doesn't make anything cheaper, but google "best laptops 2017" and guess what? They all cost the same as a Macbook. So as it turns out, Apple's prices are comparable with their direct competitors. Ergo, the Apple tax doesn't exist.
    - byefruit 9y ago
      Exactly as you've said, Apple's prices are comparable with their direct competitors for similar specifications but they just don't provide a low end. If your needs are met by the low end, you're forced to pay a premium.
      - freehunter 9y ago
        I originally said "It's almost like "the apple tax" doesn't exist and people are just mad that Apple doesn't make cheap low quality products" You replied "Not sure I agree on the cell phones at all." Your justification for that was "Apple's prices are comparable with their direct competitors for similar specifications but they just don't provide a low end." It is a complete non-sequitur to say they're charging you a premium to buy a high-end device if you want a low-end one. They charge exactly the same for exactly the same. Not a tax. Fact: Apple's prices are competitive with comparable devices. Fact: Apple only competes in the high end market. Not fact: Apple forces you to buy their products even if you can't afford it.
    - threeseed 9y ago
      Apple sells the Mac Mini, MacBook and iPhone SE which are fairly low end.
- walshemj 9y ago
  For the target of the sku you'd be looking at Mac Pros which are uber expensive and have not been updated for ages also the GPU options are limited compared to a wintel workstation if you want to use CUDA etal. Laptops are an second pc for work station users sorry a MacBook "pro" is marketing speak.
- intoverflow2 9y ago
  > Man how often do I hear "I don't want ads on my desktop" OS X has plenty of ads and nags for iCloud and Apple Music FYI. Fill up your iCloud space and it will ask you to buy more on every boot. Siri on OS X was artificially limited to only play music from Apple Music but not your iTunes library when even the iPhone 4 could play music stored in its internal app.
  - freehunter 9y ago
    Wow, if that classifies as an ad I don't even know what the definition of advertising is anymore. I want a car that doesn't come with advertising built in. Every time I'm low on gas it starts dinging and flashing lights at me, and - can you believe this, people - if I refuse to buy any more, the car won't even start! And don't get me started on what happens every 10,000 miles... demanding I change the oil! I'm not a sucker, I won't fall for their advertising!
    - addicted 9y ago
      Umm...those are the exact kind of "ads" people complain about for Windows (this is basically the exact same thing as the OneDrive info strip inside File Explorer).
      - mattnewton 9y ago
        I haven't seen that- I complain about things like "edge is more resistant to malware" pop up when I opened chrome. Also low space notifications for a service I am already using would be different than advertisements for a service I am not using at all.
        likpok 9y ago
        There are similar popups for Safari on iOS, and for Chrome when you use gmail on iOS. There used to be Chrome adds on the google homepage when you hit it with a non-chrome browser, but they didn't load for me when I tried it today.
- maxsilver 9y ago
  > People bemoan how expensive iPhones are and brag about how cheap you can get an Android phone. An iPhone is $600 but you can get an Android phone for $100! Then I ask which Android phone I should get and I'm told "Samsung Galaxy S8", which is the same price as an iPhone! I know your being facetious, but the easy answer to that question is the Moto G5 Plus, which you can pick up for $230 in most any Best Buy or Costco in the US. There are many other good choices there too. > I'm told Apple laptops are too expensive, so I ask which Windows laptop I should get and I'm told a Surface, a Thinkpad X1 Carbon, an XPS 13... all of which are exactly comparable in price with a Macbook. I don't think that's true. Apple store is down for WWDC today, but as of yesterday a 13' MacBook Pro is $1,300. The closest matching Dell XPS 13 is only $1,000. It has a lower resolution screen, but a newer gen processor and 10% more battery. ---- Fundamentally, Apple products carry a premium price. Some non-Apple products also carry a premium price (see the Surface Book as a good example). But that doesn't mean the "Apple Tax" (higher margins) aren't real, or that there aren't comparable products without it. Again, the lineup is being refreshed today, so this may all change. But the Mac Pro is the typical perfect example of this -- you can build or buy a more powerful, smaller, faster PC including licensed Windows 10 Pro for much cheaper than a Mac, literally just a small fraction of the Mac Pro's current price.
- wolfgke 9y ago
  > I'm told Apple laptops are too expensive, so I ask which Windows laptop I should get and I'm told a Surface, a Thinkpad X1 Carbon, an XPS 13... all of which are exactly comparable in price with a Macbook. My ThinkPad is easy to repair (already did a small repair myself), has support for a docking station (currently I don't need it, but a friend loves it), has an ethernet port (I won't buy a laptop that has no ethernet ports), allows one to buy a battery (or even buy a larger battery if I prefer one), allows me to add additional RAM myself if I conclude that I need more, ...

rocky1138 9y ago

Why run Mac when he's happy with Linux? Mac is a lesser quality Linux from that standpoint.

jetti 9y ago
Perhaps Elementary then? Mac feel but still Linux.
- type0 9y ago
  Why, to get the worst of both worlds?
- FussyZeus 9y ago
  Elementary has potential but it has a LONG way to go. I noticed a lot of issues around installing really anything that didn't come with it. I don't think I was able to get Chrome on it, for example, at all.
- toxican 9y ago
  Elementary feels like it was cobbled together to look gorgeous (and it does), but zero thought was put into performance and stability. I would take literally any other Ubuntu-derived distro over Elementary any day
lojack 9y ago
Because he still needs to run Windows in a VM in order to get Outlook and Adobe software. I wouldn't necessarily call it a perfect choice for him, but its worth considering if those apps are important to you.
- PopsiclePete 9y ago
  ...and he can't run Windows in a VM on Linux because....why...?
aanm1988 9y ago
because desktop linux is god awful.