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Maybe we can get Phoenix in on this too? http://www.azfamily.com/story/35561955/phoenix-mayor-vows-to-continue-paris-deal-regardless-of-trump-decision http://w

Maybe we can get Phoenix in on this too? http://www.azfamily.com/story/35561955/phoenix-mayor-vows-to-continue-paris-deal-regardless-of-trump-decision http://www.azfamily.com/story/35561955/phoenix-mayor-vows-to...

seanmcdirmid 9y ago
Global warming might be a bad deal for Arizona. But most big city governments are going to be run by liberal Democrats because...they are big cities. Not that they are wrong, just pointing that out.
- jjawssd 9y ago
  The fact that many larger cities are controlled by Democrats is a very interesting phenomenon that I do not fully understand.
  - alexbeloi 9y ago
    From the point of view of role of government in people's lives My guess has always been that the difference comes about because smaller communities can organize to solve problems without government help, so they lean towards 'limited government'. Larger communities have a naturally harder time organizing, and so they lean towards government programs. If your community is 1,000 people and 1% of your population is homeless, you probably know the names of all 10 people and figure out a solution case by case. If your community is 10,000,000... that's 100,000 homeless people, which is a wholly different problem.
  - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
    Large societies and contemporary conservative ideology just don't mix. You can't have a big city and a politician who is anti immigrant, anti gay, anti abortion, anti welfare, anti schools, because being positive on all of those issues is key to the success of that society in the first place. It's like being the executive of a coffee company while hating coffee, it just doesn't work out.
  - tropo 9y ago
    People who don't feel a need for personal space and privacy will move to cities. People who value those things move out. There is a difference in the voting behavior of those different kinds of people. If you find crowds of strangers exciting in a good way, you move to the city. If they excite you in a bad way, you move away from the city.
- glitcher 9y ago
  > Global warming might be a bad deal for Arizona. Global warming might be a bad deal for the globe. > But most big city governments are going to be run by liberal Democrats because...they are big cities. Not that they are wrong, just pointing that out. You are pointing this out why? Obviously the lead in to "just pointing that out" was circular logic that means nothing, and I feel there is a deeper message you wanted to convey but then it's just so easy to type dot dot dot... instead.
  - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
    > Global warming might be a bad deal for the globe. Canada and Russia might benefit from it in a perverse way, but I otherwise agree. > You are pointing this out why? Obviously the lead in to "just pointing that out" was circular logic that means nothing, and I feel there is a deeper message you wanted to convey but then it's just so easy to type dot dot dot... instead. Most big city executives are not going to like pulling out of the Paris agreement, so you might as well talk about the mayor of Atlanta, Houston, Salt Lake City...they are going to express support for it. So why not mention them all? It doesn't matter if the big city is in a red state or not.
    - glitcher 9y ago
      Good points, thanks for sharing. I have a feeling the OP on this comment thread is probably from Phoenix, and was most likely promoting local action as opposed to what may happen in big cities across the country. But it will be very interesting to see how this plays out over time.

seanmcdirmid 9y ago

Global warming might be a bad deal for Arizona. But most big city governments are going to be run by liberal Democrats because...they are big cities. Not that they are wrong, just pointing that out.

jjawssd 9y ago
The fact that many larger cities are controlled by Democrats is a very interesting phenomenon that I do not fully understand.
- alexbeloi 9y ago
  From the point of view of role of government in people's lives My guess has always been that the difference comes about because smaller communities can organize to solve problems without government help, so they lean towards 'limited government'. Larger communities have a naturally harder time organizing, and so they lean towards government programs. If your community is 1,000 people and 1% of your population is homeless, you probably know the names of all 10 people and figure out a solution case by case. If your community is 10,000,000... that's 100,000 homeless people, which is a wholly different problem.
- seanmcdirmid 9y ago
  Large societies and contemporary conservative ideology just don't mix. You can't have a big city and a politician who is anti immigrant, anti gay, anti abortion, anti welfare, anti schools, because being positive on all of those issues is key to the success of that society in the first place. It's like being the executive of a coffee company while hating coffee, it just doesn't work out.
- tropo 9y ago
  People who don't feel a need for personal space and privacy will move to cities. People who value those things move out. There is a difference in the voting behavior of those different kinds of people. If you find crowds of strangers exciting in a good way, you move to the city. If they excite you in a bad way, you move away from the city.
glitcher 9y ago
> Global warming might be a bad deal for Arizona. Global warming might be a bad deal for the globe. > But most big city governments are going to be run by liberal Democrats because...they are big cities. Not that they are wrong, just pointing that out. You are pointing this out why? Obviously the lead in to "just pointing that out" was circular logic that means nothing, and I feel there is a deeper message you wanted to convey but then it's just so easy to type dot dot dot... instead.
- seanmcdirmid 9y ago
  > Global warming might be a bad deal for the globe. Canada and Russia might benefit from it in a perverse way, but I otherwise agree. > You are pointing this out why? Obviously the lead in to "just pointing that out" was circular logic that means nothing, and I feel there is a deeper message you wanted to convey but then it's just so easy to type dot dot dot... instead. Most big city executives are not going to like pulling out of the Paris agreement, so you might as well talk about the mayor of Atlanta, Houston, Salt Lake City...they are going to express support for it. So why not mention them all? It doesn't matter if the big city is in a red state or not.
  - glitcher 9y ago
    Good points, thanks for sharing. I have a feeling the OP on this comment thread is probably from Phoenix, and was most likely promoting local action as opposed to what may happen in big cities across the country. But it will be very interesting to see how this plays out over time.