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And the worst part about having to move out of country to find out things that were censored/hidden? You'll be inclined to believe foreign nations have a negati

by vtange 9y ago

And the worst part about having to move out of country to find out things that were censored/hidden? You'll be inclined to believe foreign nations have a negative bias towards China. At least, that's China's (and Russia's) narrative.

Cyph0n 9y ago
Isn't that exactly the case in some instances? Every country and, by extension, news channel has its own agenda to push.
- vtange 9y ago
  Yes, but in places where say news organizations are tightly controlled by the state, it is much easier to push a nationalistic, "my-country-can-do-no-wrong" agenda than in places where multiple parties push for agendas that help point out flaws that need to be mended in a country.
emodendroket 9y ago
One thing doesn't prove or disprove the other really.
wyuenho 9y ago
Or extreme emotional devastation that lead to extreme hatred towards the CCP government. Finding out you've been lied to your entire life WILL shock you to the core.
- guiltygatorade 9y ago
  Funny enough for me, neither happened. I left when I was in my early teens but having spent enough time being indoctrinated. I didn't chalk every western report on the CCP to be based on hatred, nor did I develop extreme distaste for the CCP. I still think Western reporting likes to sprinkle in a few words to demonstrate their distaste for communism and authoritarianism (even when unnecessarily) whenever possible. But above all I think I just learned to be skeptical -- a useful trait for this current election cycle ;) To be fair I think for the people that are much older who have spent their life dedicated to the proletariat struggle, the truth may be a lot harder to swallow. On the other hand, the older folks aren't blind either. Most will have some idea that there are devious things happening behind the curtain -- but Chinese as a culture has always promoted collective harmony over individuality. So most simply accept the way things are.
SurrealSoul 9y ago
To be fair, USA hardly ever reports positive articles about China. We didn't report on their moon landing until a year after it happened and many people don't even know it happened at all. Same goes with their space station. The only coverage went to their previous one that is leaving orbit into earth. I know that this is a small sample size and only related to their space program as well as my personal observations, but its really hard (for me at least) to say that the USA media does not have a negative bias towards China
- vtange 9y ago
  For the past couple months the media has pointed out China's successes in tech in Shenzhen, how they have a much better stance on climate change than Trump, and how they have the most prudent position (that doesn't involve all-out war) on North Korea. That's pretty positive if you ask me.
  - SurrealSoul 9y ago
    Maybe it's a bit of her bias seeping in a bit, but I can certainly agree it's getting better
  - srett 9y ago
    Yes, it is getting better. But even then I can't help but feel like it's said in this "See, even the Chinese do better than trump" manner. Just like 10 years ago the only good news about China was about how well their economy is doing, but not without some "they took our jobs" vibe.
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- muddyrivers 9y ago
  I don't understand that it was voted down. I think it is a fair argument. I agree the reporting has been getting better.
- nradov 9y ago
  Nonsense. The 2013 Chinese moon probe landing was literally reported in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and CNN. What more do you want?
awkwardtortoise 9y ago
> At least, that's China's (and Russia's) narrative. And the US, britain, [insert any country]'s narrative. You act like we are any different from china or russia.

by vtange 9y ago

Cyph0n 9y ago

Isn't that exactly the case in some instances? Every country and, by extension, news channel has its own agenda to push.

vtange 9y ago
Yes, but in places where say news organizations are tightly controlled by the state, it is much easier to push a nationalistic, "my-country-can-do-no-wrong" agenda than in places where multiple parties push for agendas that help point out flaws that need to be mended in a country.

emodendroket 9y ago

One thing doesn't prove or disprove the other really.

wyuenho 9y ago

Or extreme emotional devastation that lead to extreme hatred towards the CCP government. Finding out you've been lied to your entire life WILL shock you to the core.

guiltygatorade 9y ago
Funny enough for me, neither happened. I left when I was in my early teens but having spent enough time being indoctrinated. I didn't chalk every western report on the CCP to be based on hatred, nor did I develop extreme distaste for the CCP. I still think Western reporting likes to sprinkle in a few words to demonstrate their distaste for communism and authoritarianism (even when unnecessarily) whenever possible. But above all I think I just learned to be skeptical -- a useful trait for this current election cycle ;) To be fair I think for the people that are much older who have spent their life dedicated to the proletariat struggle, the truth may be a lot harder to swallow. On the other hand, the older folks aren't blind either. Most will have some idea that there are devious things happening behind the curtain -- but Chinese as a culture has always promoted collective harmony over individuality. So most simply accept the way things are.

SurrealSoul 9y ago

To be fair, USA hardly ever reports positive articles about China. We didn't report on their moon landing until a year after it happened and many people don't even know it happened at all. Same goes with their space station. The only coverage went to their previous one that is leaving orbit into earth. I know that this is a small sample size and only related to their space program as well as my personal observations, but its really hard (for me at least) to say that the USA media does not have a negative bias towards China

vtange 9y ago
For the past couple months the media has pointed out China's successes in tech in Shenzhen, how they have a much better stance on climate change than Trump, and how they have the most prudent position (that doesn't involve all-out war) on North Korea. That's pretty positive if you ask me.
- SurrealSoul 9y ago
  Maybe it's a bit of her bias seeping in a bit, but I can certainly agree it's getting better
- srett 9y ago
  Yes, it is getting better. But even then I can't help but feel like it's said in this "See, even the Chinese do better than trump" manner. Just like 10 years ago the only good news about China was about how well their economy is doing, but not without some "they took our jobs" vibe.
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muddyrivers 9y ago
I don't understand that it was voted down. I think it is a fair argument. I agree the reporting has been getting better.
nradov 9y ago
Nonsense. The 2013 Chinese moon probe landing was literally reported in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and CNN. What more do you want?

awkwardtortoise 9y ago

> At least, that's China's (and Russia's) narrative. And the US, britain, [insert any country]'s narrative. You act like we are any different from china or russia.