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People really are concerned about /jobs/. Most of the US is exactly zero percent richer than 20 years ago. Wages are stagnate. Nobody knows a solution.

ChristianBundy 9y ago
Many people know the solution, but it requires dismantling the system that got us into this scenario: capitalism.
- arcbyte 9y ago
  What? Dismantling welfare maybe is the solution that "everybody" knows, but it sure as shit isnt dismantling the only economic system that hasn't turned out to be bullshit within a century of trying jt.
- merpnderp 9y ago
  I don't know how anyone can look at China's transformation over the last 30 years and think capitalism is a problem. When China altered its policies form socialist to free market, it brought a billion people out of abject poverty in less than 20 years. The data doesn't show that there's a better solution to innate human corruption than capitalism.
- mindcrime 9y ago
  Yes, let's discard capitalism so we can live in a socialist utopia like Venezuela.
  - RugnirViking 9y ago
    Even democratic countries that rely almost entirely on natural resources end up pretty awful at some point or other. I'm not going to comment one way or another on how reliance on natural resources does correlate with... unconventional government types and economic policies such as dictatorships and central planning or hypercapitalism
alphonsegaston 9y ago
I don't think anybody disagrees with that, it's just that scapegoating immigrants is a fairly explicit manipulation tactic by the wealthy to control the poor. After all, poor immigrants aren't the ones who engineered an economy of staggering inequality and wage stagnation.
danaliv 9y ago
Immigrants don't just "take" jobs. Their presence also creates new ones. It's not as though people come here, go to work, and then never put money into the economy.
- chii 9y ago
  but it is true i think, that immigrants do take jobs away from the lower-skilled demographics, because they may be willing to take on a lower wage than their native counterparts. The influx of new demand due to immigrants is going to be slower to materialize as wealth to the upper-eschelons of owners, which is then slower to trickle down to more hires/jobs to meet demand. Therefore, in the immediate future, the natives are less well-off.
LoonyBalloony 9y ago
Perhaps because powerful people don't want to find a solution; The powerful is exactly who is represented in our flawed electoral system: http//i.imgur.com/Uc6kX8G.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GFG0sXIig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GFG0sXIig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI

ChristianBundy 9y ago

Many people know the solution, but it requires dismantling the system that got us into this scenario: capitalism.

arcbyte 9y ago
What? Dismantling welfare maybe is the solution that "everybody" knows, but it sure as shit isnt dismantling the only economic system that hasn't turned out to be bullshit within a century of trying jt.
merpnderp 9y ago
I don't know how anyone can look at China's transformation over the last 30 years and think capitalism is a problem. When China altered its policies form socialist to free market, it brought a billion people out of abject poverty in less than 20 years. The data doesn't show that there's a better solution to innate human corruption than capitalism.
mindcrime 9y ago
Yes, let's discard capitalism so we can live in a socialist utopia like Venezuela.
- RugnirViking 9y ago
  Even democratic countries that rely almost entirely on natural resources end up pretty awful at some point or other. I'm not going to comment one way or another on how reliance on natural resources does correlate with... unconventional government types and economic policies such as dictatorships and central planning or hypercapitalism

alphonsegaston 9y ago

I don't think anybody disagrees with that, it's just that scapegoating immigrants is a fairly explicit manipulation tactic by the wealthy to control the poor. After all, poor immigrants aren't the ones who engineered an economy of staggering inequality and wage stagnation.

danaliv 9y ago

Immigrants don't just "take" jobs. Their presence also creates new ones. It's not as though people come here, go to work, and then never put money into the economy.

chii 9y ago
but it is true i think, that immigrants do take jobs away from the lower-skilled demographics, because they may be willing to take on a lower wage than their native counterparts. The influx of new demand due to immigrants is going to be slower to materialize as wealth to the upper-eschelons of owners, which is then slower to trickle down to more hires/jobs to meet demand. Therefore, in the immediate future, the natives are less well-off.

LoonyBalloony 9y ago

Perhaps because powerful people don't want to find a solution; The powerful is exactly who is represented in our flawed electoral system: http//i.imgur.com/Uc6kX8G.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GFG0sXIig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GFG0sXIig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI