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Edit: I don't care about karma on HN but if you're downvoting please explain yourself. > The Indian ID drive has ensured that benefits make it to the people

Edit: I don't care about karma on HN but if you're downvoting please explain yourself. > The Indian ID drive has ensured that benefits make it to the people who need > them without 80% of it being skimmed by corrupt bureaucrats. Citation ? (not about the corruption happening, that has been well established, but about aadhaar allegedly solving this problem). > Having a real identification gives very poor individuals the identification > necessary to open bank accounts and interact with the financial sector. There already are a pletora of identification methods in India, including the PAN, ration card, BPL Card, Voter ID etc. In the end the problems that keep it from being 'unique' are in the implementation at the grass roots. How is Aadhaar going to change this ? There already are a lot of reports of duplication of Aadhaar. > It's the first really reliable census data for a lot of areas. Reliable ? Oh really ? According to the goverment's own addmission : http://aadhaarcarduid.org/uidai-cancelled-3-8-lakh-fake-aadhaar-cards/ http://aadhaarcarduid.org/uidai-cancelled-3-8-lakh-fake-aadh... > It's disgusting that Mozilla sits there and pontificates about stopping > programs which solve problems _they don't have_. In 50 years, when a couple > hundred million Indians aren't having trouble getting enough to eat because > their government subsidies were stolen, then maybe it's worth having this > conversation. Until then, shut up and and let India solve its own problems, > and don't help people starve to death on account of your pompous moral > litmus tests. Firstly, the Indian goverment is not even interested in debating or engaing people who have a different viewpoint than them, including the Superme Court of India. So, tell me again, which is this India you speak about that is allegedly soloving its problems ? I feel like Indians like me are lesser Indians than thos that toe the Goverment line. I often think about this when it comes to Indians reacting to critizims about India: Except from the book "Restart"[1] > Then the denial, the one form of intellectual argument we have mastered. > India has no problem; if it has a problem, it is nobody else’s business; > everybody else also has this problem; everybody else has other problems, why > don’t you talk about those instead; why are you saying this is a problem, it is > a part of our 5000-year- old culture; we knew the answers to all problems in > the Vedic era; even if we have this problem, it is not our fault; even if we > have this problem, we cannot accept any of the solutions that have been shown > to work elsewhere; even if we have this problem, it is much better than it was; > perhaps we have this problem, but it is none of your business. ...and this book is not even about sociology or politics, it is about economics. http://www.amazon.in/Restart-Last-Chance-Indian-Economy/dp/8184005717/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495909382&sr=8-1&keywords=restart+mihir+sharma http://www.amazon.in/Restart-Last-Chance-Indian-Economy/dp/8...

bpodgursky 9y ago
I'm not Indian, I'm a white middle class American.
- devnonymous 9y ago
  Ok, but since appear to have such a strong opinion on the subject, perhaps you could also address the questions I've asked ?
- realonedev 9y ago
  I will give you a free advice: Most Aadhar criticism comes from and is supported by People who have lost money due to due to direct benefit scheme. Those people accumulated lots of money over years by producing fake bills, extra names in the ration cards. Aadhar card started to roll out in 2011 itself, How many of these privacy freaks had raise the voice and if they did, were they supported ? No. Only after Aadhar started saving money for the poor, hence the money started drying out of pockets of those corrupt officials and contractors, does this activism against Aadhar has been supported. Who are those people who were OK with Aadhar for 4 years, but are not OK now? Now that Aadhar will be used for some more direct to benefit transfer scmehes, will you see more activists and more noise. Think. I will give you a hint. How do you think does a 9 to 5 government employee is able to accommodate wealth to send his son to one of ivy leavgue schools or enroll him in a music class or send him to costly coaching classes or send him to top schools. Where did that money came form? Won't those sons oppose Aadhar whose dads tool bribe to accumulate wealth to make sure the son gets educated/skilled. A lot of people thrive and plan their yearly budget based on bribe amount not salary amount? Would not those people oppose Aadhar?
  - devnonymous 9y ago
    I said this a bit differently in another comment but I'll ask you this - would you still support Aadhaar if the party in power was not the Bjp? Remember that the party in power will inevitably change at some point but this project will remain. Would you be able to trust any party besides the Bjp with being in charge of this project? If you would, well I won't argue with you, if not you really have to think about the implications of what is happening.

bpodgursky 9y ago

I'm not Indian, I'm a white middle class American.

devnonymous 9y ago
Ok, but since appear to have such a strong opinion on the subject, perhaps you could also address the questions I've asked ?
realonedev 9y ago
I will give you a free advice: Most Aadhar criticism comes from and is supported by People who have lost money due to due to direct benefit scheme. Those people accumulated lots of money over years by producing fake bills, extra names in the ration cards. Aadhar card started to roll out in 2011 itself, How many of these privacy freaks had raise the voice and if they did, were they supported ? No. Only after Aadhar started saving money for the poor, hence the money started drying out of pockets of those corrupt officials and contractors, does this activism against Aadhar has been supported. Who are those people who were OK with Aadhar for 4 years, but are not OK now? Now that Aadhar will be used for some more direct to benefit transfer scmehes, will you see more activists and more noise. Think. I will give you a hint. How do you think does a 9 to 5 government employee is able to accommodate wealth to send his son to one of ivy leavgue schools or enroll him in a music class or send him to costly coaching classes or send him to top schools. Where did that money came form? Won't those sons oppose Aadhar whose dads tool bribe to accumulate wealth to make sure the son gets educated/skilled. A lot of people thrive and plan their yearly budget based on bribe amount not salary amount? Would not those people oppose Aadhar?
- devnonymous 9y ago
  I said this a bit differently in another comment but I'll ask you this - would you still support Aadhaar if the party in power was not the Bjp? Remember that the party in power will inevitably change at some point but this project will remain. Would you be able to trust any party besides the Bjp with being in charge of this project? If you would, well I won't argue with you, if not you really have to think about the implications of what is happening.