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Oh? Neo4j is free. The Community edition is GPLv3, and the Enterprise edition is AGPLv3.

lauretas 9y ago
The Enterprise Edition is not AGPL. It's under one of "Neo4j Commercial License", "Neo4j Evaluation License", "Neo4j Educational License", or "Fair Trade Licensing". In other words it's not free. Why would I want to use the "Community Edition" of a company whose interest is to force me into buying their Enterprise Edition? The more people use this "Community Edition", and the more they are encouraged to force their "Enterprise Edition" under my throat, because "it will be easier to buy a proprietary plugin than change database". They are already restricting the use of important features such as "Unlimited graph size", "Database storage reallocation", "Schema constraints", "Runtime to accelerate common queries", "Role-based security", "Kerberos Security", "Load balancing", etc. Why would I want to get into this?! I'd rather spend my time learning and contributing to Jena or Janus than a bait "Community Edition".
- manigandham 9y ago
  There's nothing wrong with companies charging for software products.
  - lauretas 9y ago
    I agree. This is not the point though, nor what I said.
- jsumrall 9y ago
  The "enterprise edition" is AGPL. Feel free to interpret it differently then Neo does, but the license is AGPL [1]. Anyways, I don't understand the hostility. They're tying to walk the line between a profitable company selling software while still doing it all in the open. The fact that they kept things open source and not closed was one of the things I loved about working there. 1. https://github.com/neo4j/neo4j/blob/3.3/README.asciidoc https://github.com/neo4j/neo4j/blob/3.3/README.asciidoc
  - lauretas 9y ago
    So, are you saying that Neo4j is 100% free as in "100% AGPL, otherwise Commercial License if you don't want to use the AGPL"? In other words, the code is exactly the same, only with a different license?
    - Gudahtt 9y ago
      Yes, that is the case.
      - lauretas 9y ago
        According to [this page](https://neo4j.com/editions/ https://neo4j.com/editions/) it's not. In fact, they are restricting important functionalities to their Enterprise Edition exclusively. Which means, the codebase is not the same.
        Gudahtt 9y ago
        Yes, the Community Edition and the Enterprise Edition are different. Certain functionality is restricted to the Enterprise Edition. It's a different codebase. I didn't say otherwise. You can see it here: http://github.com/neo4j/neo4j http://github.com/neo4j/neo4j See how there are 'community' and 'enterprise' top-level directories? The 'enterprise' directory contains the enterprise-specific code. It's a separate project in some senses but it does share the same repository, and it is open source. As you can also see by looking at that repository, the Enterprise Edition is licensed as AGPL. Here is the license: https://github.com/neo4j/neo4j/blob/3.3/enterprise/LICENSE.txt https://github.com/neo4j/neo4j/blob/3.3/enterprise/LICENSE.t... I'll quote: If you have not executed a Commercial Agreement with Neo Technology, the Software is subject to the terms of the GNU AFFERO GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 3, as follows: Then follows the AGPL license.
- Gudahtt 9y ago
  It is AGPL; it's dual licensed. You can use it freely under the terms of AGPL, or you can enter into a commercial agreement with Neo Technology and use it without the restrictions imposed by the AGPL. Here's the license: https://github.com/neo4j/neo4j/blob/3.3/enterprise/LICENSE.txt https://github.com/neo4j/neo4j/blob/3.3/enterprise/LICENSE.t...
  - lauretas 9y ago
    So, are you saying that Neo4j is 100% free as in "100% AGPL, otherwise Commercial License if you don't want to use the AGPL"? In other words, the code is exactly the same, only with a different license?

The Enterprise Edition is not AGPL. It's under one of "Neo4j Commercial License", "Neo4j Evaluation License", "Neo4j Educational License", or "Fair Trade Licensing". In other words it's not free. Why would I want to use the "Community Edition" of a company whose interest is to force me into buying their Enterprise Edition? The more people use this "Community Edition", and the more they are encouraged to force their "Enterprise Edition" under my throat, because "it will be easier to buy a proprietary plugin than change database". They are already restricting the use of important features such as "Unlimited graph size", "Database storage reallocation", "Schema constraints", "Runtime to accelerate common queries", "Role-based security", "Kerberos Security", "Load balancing", etc. Why would I want to get into this?! I'd rather spend my time learning and contributing to Jena or Janus than a bait "Community Edition".

manigandham 9y ago
There's nothing wrong with companies charging for software products.
- lauretas 9y ago
  I agree. This is not the point though, nor what I said.
jsumrall 9y ago
The "enterprise edition" is AGPL. Feel free to interpret it differently then Neo does, but the license is AGPL [1]. Anyways, I don't understand the hostility. They're tying to walk the line between a profitable company selling software while still doing it all in the open. The fact that they kept things open source and not closed was one of the things I loved about working there. 1. https://github.com/neo4j/neo4j/blob/3.3/README.asciidoc https://github.com/neo4j/neo4j/blob/3.3/README.asciidoc
- lauretas 9y ago
  So, are you saying that Neo4j is 100% free as in "100% AGPL, otherwise Commercial License if you don't want to use the AGPL"? In other words, the code is exactly the same, only with a different license?
  - Gudahtt 9y ago
    Yes, that is the case.
    - lauretas 9y ago
      According to [this page](https://neo4j.com/editions/ https://neo4j.com/editions/) it's not. In fact, they are restricting important functionalities to their Enterprise Edition exclusively. Which means, the codebase is not the same.
      - Gudahtt 9y ago
        Yes, the Community Edition and the Enterprise Edition are different. Certain functionality is restricted to the Enterprise Edition. It's a different codebase. I didn't say otherwise. You can see it here: http://github.com/neo4j/neo4j http://github.com/neo4j/neo4j See how there are 'community' and 'enterprise' top-level directories? The 'enterprise' directory contains the enterprise-specific code. It's a separate project in some senses but it does share the same repository, and it is open source. As you can also see by looking at that repository, the Enterprise Edition is licensed as AGPL. Here is the license: https://github.com/neo4j/neo4j/blob/3.3/enterprise/LICENSE.txt https://github.com/neo4j/neo4j/blob/3.3/enterprise/LICENSE.t... I'll quote: If you have not executed a Commercial Agreement with Neo Technology, the Software is subject to the terms of the GNU AFFERO GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 3, as follows: Then follows the AGPL license.
Gudahtt 9y ago
It is AGPL; it's dual licensed. You can use it freely under the terms of AGPL, or you can enter into a commercial agreement with Neo Technology and use it without the restrictions imposed by the AGPL. Here's the license: https://github.com/neo4j/neo4j/blob/3.3/enterprise/LICENSE.txt https://github.com/neo4j/neo4j/blob/3.3/enterprise/LICENSE.t...
- lauretas 9y ago
  So, are you saying that Neo4j is 100% free as in "100% AGPL, otherwise Commercial License if you don't want to use the AGPL"? In other words, the code is exactly the same, only with a different license?