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I think as a whole his vision is little too "non organic". I don't think society can be planned to the degree he wished. However disassembled there were some

by swalsh 9y ago

I think as a whole his vision is little too "non organic". I don't think society can be planned to the degree he wished. However disassembled there were some solid ideas, many of which are becoming realities today. He represents one of my favorite parts of the 50's and 60's. Which struck me as a time where people imagined that it was totally possible to just upend society, and rebuild it in a better way. The level of optimism where if you can accomplish only 20% of the vision, you've done something significant.

worldsayshi 9y ago
Yeah, the planning part seems to be the major culprit when designing "alternative economical systems". Anyone who would want to propose a serious "alternative to the capitalist system" - which is kind of what it boils down to - would have to figure out how to out-compete the planning efficiency of capitalism. My personal favorite would be something in the way of a Wiki-like consensus engine with "many-eyeballs" checks and balances. All planning is public, all planning can be corrected by anyone. Sabotage can be avoided by there effectively being significantly more 'reviewers' than editors or through some other mean of making sabotage harder than correction. It works for Wikipedia, why not for societal planning?
cLeEOGPw 9y ago
He was absolutely out of touch. At no point he ever considered the basic human, as an animal species, instincts, tendencies, mechanisms and other mechanics surrounding human societies. His idea of society is an equivalent of designing an everlasting engine with assumptions like friction, radiation, air resistance and evaporation doesn't exist. He discarded reality, created his own reality in his own mind and pushed an idea as worthy of some kind of significance. The only thing that this man taught me is how far you can get just by being super persuasive.
Shorel 9y ago
I wish we knew how the Inca empire worked. By the few remaining accounts we have, it worked just as Fresco described. But too many details were destroyed by the Spaniards.

by swalsh 9y ago

worldsayshi 9y ago

Yeah, the planning part seems to be the major culprit when designing "alternative economical systems". Anyone who would want to propose a serious "alternative to the capitalist system" - which is kind of what it boils down to - would have to figure out how to out-compete the planning efficiency of capitalism. My personal favorite would be something in the way of a Wiki-like consensus engine with "many-eyeballs" checks and balances. All planning is public, all planning can be corrected by anyone. Sabotage can be avoided by there effectively being significantly more 'reviewers' than editors or through some other mean of making sabotage harder than correction. It works for Wikipedia, why not for societal planning?

cLeEOGPw 9y ago

He was absolutely out of touch. At no point he ever considered the basic human, as an animal species, instincts, tendencies, mechanisms and other mechanics surrounding human societies. His idea of society is an equivalent of designing an everlasting engine with assumptions like friction, radiation, air resistance and evaporation doesn't exist. He discarded reality, created his own reality in his own mind and pushed an idea as worthy of some kind of significance. The only thing that this man taught me is how far you can get just by being super persuasive.

Shorel 9y ago

I wish we knew how the Inca empire worked. By the few remaining accounts we have, it worked just as Fresco described. But too many details were destroyed by the Spaniards.