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Yup. The correct solution is to stop traveling to the US. Stop sending your employees to the US as well. If the rest of the world starts insisting that US compa

Yup. The correct solution is to stop traveling to the US. Stop sending your employees to the US as well. If the rest of the world starts insisting that US companies always come to them because of how US border agents act, that shit will bubble up to the lobbyists real fast.

jjawssd 9y ago
It's just that easy.
- sqeaky 9y ago
  If hurts people with money, something will change.
- Fiahil 9y ago
  Come and see us in Europe, it's nice here !
  - brianwawok 9y ago
    No thanks!
- dognotdog 9y ago
  No, it's not. That's similar to saying just stay away from bullies, or leave if you don't like your job/school/whatever. It is easy if you view the issue in isolation, but for a lot of people it is more complicated, such as how will you see your loved ones / do your job / travel freely? In this case, the ones most dependent on being able to travel have little choice if they can't take on almost unlimited (potentially, but still) risk to their livelyhood.
kasey_junk 9y ago
And to the UK: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/14/campaign-group-to-challenge-uk-over-surrender-of-passwords-at-border-control https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/14/campaign-gr...
- kbos87 9y ago
  It's amazing how disparate the experience is in Europe. The first time I flew to CDG a year ago I honestly thought I somehow skipped customs accidentally. Heathrow, on the other hand, feels like a dystopian experience straight out of Minority Report. 20 questions and having your photo taken at every turn for simply connecting through the UK.
  - ajmurmann 9y ago
    I think the authoritarianism is a Anglo Saxon phenomenon. At least in more recent history.
_jal 9y ago
Bingo. Why would anyone want to go through that on their vacation? Unless you enjoy that sort of thing, go somewhere pleasant instead. (And if you enjoy that sort of thing, there are far easier ways...) I say this as a US citizen who will be sad if it comes to pass, but this bullshit won't stop unless the rest of the world refuses to put up with it. Your average US citizen doesn't travel internationally (only about 10% of the population has a passport), so they don't notice unless it hits their wallets. Please force us to stop.
- briandear 9y ago
  Put up with what? I go through Houston Customs almost every month and they rarely search anyone. It's like a river of people walking right out the airport doors after a cursory glance at the customs declaration. I have never once seen a person with an open laptop in the search areas. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen but good grief, what's the actual percentage? I am willing to bet a minuscule percentage gets their devices searched.
  - Sir_Substance 9y ago
    The US will not provide foreigners with a visa unless they submit to be fingerprinted like a criminal: https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/general/border-biometrics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/general/border-bio... I'm not a criminal, and I will not be fingerprinted.
  - _jal 9y ago
    I don't believe the data on that is available; at least, I haven't been able to find it[1]. I'd love to be wrong, if someone else has information. I'm glad your frequent travels are eased through customs to the point where you don't see what happens. But allow me to suggest that a frequent traveler through one port once a month is an insufficient data set from which to draw conclusions? If nothing else, you have available the fact that a software vendor sees sufficient demand to invest in this feature, to go along with your google skills to find counterexamples to your experience. I don't know if that's sufficient to get you past your blithe dismissal of others' concerns and lived experience and on to a skeptical but open view or not. [1] Which would be typical; one of the easiest tactics to steer public discussion is to pick and choose what data to collect and release. The US has a long history of this tactic, especially with issues that touch on law enforcement. The lack of decent data on killings committed by police is well-known; categorical refusal to allow studies on various drugs is too. But this is a frequent problem; hammering on killer cops with video is provoking grudging, slow change on the first and incremental legalization of pot is changing the second. But there are lots of issues over which this happens.
albemuth 9y ago
As a foreigner married to a citizen, I'm not too satisfied with this suggestion.

jjawssd 9y ago

It's just that easy.

sqeaky 9y ago
If hurts people with money, something will change.
Fiahil 9y ago
Come and see us in Europe, it's nice here !
- brianwawok 9y ago
  No thanks!
dognotdog 9y ago
No, it's not. That's similar to saying just stay away from bullies, or leave if you don't like your job/school/whatever. It is easy if you view the issue in isolation, but for a lot of people it is more complicated, such as how will you see your loved ones / do your job / travel freely? In this case, the ones most dependent on being able to travel have little choice if they can't take on almost unlimited (potentially, but still) risk to their livelyhood.

kasey_junk 9y ago

And to the UK: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/14/campaign-group-to-challenge-uk-over-surrender-of-passwords-at-border-control https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/14/campaign-gr...

kbos87 9y ago
It's amazing how disparate the experience is in Europe. The first time I flew to CDG a year ago I honestly thought I somehow skipped customs accidentally. Heathrow, on the other hand, feels like a dystopian experience straight out of Minority Report. 20 questions and having your photo taken at every turn for simply connecting through the UK.
- ajmurmann 9y ago
  I think the authoritarianism is a Anglo Saxon phenomenon. At least in more recent history.

_jal 9y ago

Bingo. Why would anyone want to go through that on their vacation? Unless you enjoy that sort of thing, go somewhere pleasant instead. (And if you enjoy that sort of thing, there are far easier ways...) I say this as a US citizen who will be sad if it comes to pass, but this bullshit won't stop unless the rest of the world refuses to put up with it. Your average US citizen doesn't travel internationally (only about 10% of the population has a passport), so they don't notice unless it hits their wallets. Please force us to stop.

briandear 9y ago
Put up with what? I go through Houston Customs almost every month and they rarely search anyone. It's like a river of people walking right out the airport doors after a cursory glance at the customs declaration. I have never once seen a person with an open laptop in the search areas. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen but good grief, what's the actual percentage? I am willing to bet a minuscule percentage gets their devices searched.
- Sir_Substance 9y ago
  The US will not provide foreigners with a visa unless they submit to be fingerprinted like a criminal: https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/general/border-biometrics.html https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/general/border-bio... I'm not a criminal, and I will not be fingerprinted.
- _jal 9y ago
  I don't believe the data on that is available; at least, I haven't been able to find it[1]. I'd love to be wrong, if someone else has information. I'm glad your frequent travels are eased through customs to the point where you don't see what happens. But allow me to suggest that a frequent traveler through one port once a month is an insufficient data set from which to draw conclusions? If nothing else, you have available the fact that a software vendor sees sufficient demand to invest in this feature, to go along with your google skills to find counterexamples to your experience. I don't know if that's sufficient to get you past your blithe dismissal of others' concerns and lived experience and on to a skeptical but open view or not. [1] Which would be typical; one of the easiest tactics to steer public discussion is to pick and choose what data to collect and release. The US has a long history of this tactic, especially with issues that touch on law enforcement. The lack of decent data on killings committed by police is well-known; categorical refusal to allow studies on various drugs is too. But this is a frequent problem; hammering on killer cops with video is provoking grudging, slow change on the first and incremental legalization of pot is changing the second. But there are lots of issues over which this happens.

albemuth 9y ago

As a foreigner married to a citizen, I'm not too satisfied with this suggestion.