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Uber drivers could go on strike from Uber and still earn by driving for LYFT. They could demand what ever they want.

by wehadfun 9y ago

smt88 9y ago
You can't strike without a union, and Uber is fighting hard against drivers unionizing.
- nradov 9y ago
  The drivers are vendors, not employees, so there's no way for them to form a union or go on strike. But there's also nothing stopping a group of drivers from getting together and collectively agreeing to stop driving for Uber.
  - Frondo 9y ago
    Whether they are vendors or employees is still an open question: https://www.google.com/#q=are+uber+drivers+employees https://www.google.com/#q=are+uber+drivers+employees
  - anigbrowl 9y ago
    So form an 'association' or something. If you're dealing with a company that reflexively breaks rules you're under no obligation to worry about niceties like union certification requirements and procedures. there is no moral obligation to play fair with a known cheater.
    - nradov 9y ago
      There are no legal niceties even needed. Uber drivers in the USA wouldn't be breaking any labor laws by forming a voluntary association.
- chimeracoder 9y ago
  > You can't strike without a union This is absolutely, completely false. Both legally and practically.
  - smt88 9y ago
    Small groups who can identify and contact each other can strike without a union. Uber drivers can't because Uber is the only party who can identify all of them. Furthermore, scabs might sign up without even knowing they're scabs, or drivers might refuse to strike. There would have to be some legal/organizational mechanism to force all current drivers to strike.
    - anigbrowl 9y ago
      I'm sure that information could be...acquired. After that it's just social engineering.
      - aarongolliver 9y ago
        I was in an uber to one of Microsoft's collegiate CTF's, and when my Uber driver realized that means I knew (the very basics of) computer security he begged me to hack Uber and get all the Seattle driver's emails so he could ask them to strike. He also tried to sell me on his cult. And told me to defend my servers all I needed was a fractal firewall that used the number Pi somewhere because if you use a number with (presumably) no pattern in it no one could ever touch you. I gave him 5 stars
        anigbrowl 9y ago
        Wow. I often wonder how much creativity in our society goes untapped for lack accessible channels to filter and distill it. Thanks for seeing the potential value in his inchoate ideas rather than dismissing them for not being fully thought out. One a side note, quite a few leaderless cults are well worth joining - not the social kind but the ideational/experiential kind.
jrs95 9y ago
I think surge pricing would probably prevent that from happening in practice.
- pgwhalen 9y ago
  Yeah, unless you get the riders involved as well. Which is of course a lot tougher.
  - norgie 9y ago
    If Uber prices increased because of fewer drivers, customers would probably also leave.

Uber drivers could go on strike from Uber and still earn by driving for LYFT. They could demand what ever they want.

smt88 9y ago

You can't strike without a union, and Uber is fighting hard against drivers unionizing.

nradov 9y ago
The drivers are vendors, not employees, so there's no way for them to form a union or go on strike. But there's also nothing stopping a group of drivers from getting together and collectively agreeing to stop driving for Uber.
- Frondo 9y ago
  Whether they are vendors or employees is still an open question: https://www.google.com/#q=are+uber+drivers+employees https://www.google.com/#q=are+uber+drivers+employees
- anigbrowl 9y ago
  So form an 'association' or something. If you're dealing with a company that reflexively breaks rules you're under no obligation to worry about niceties like union certification requirements and procedures. there is no moral obligation to play fair with a known cheater.
  - nradov 9y ago
    There are no legal niceties even needed. Uber drivers in the USA wouldn't be breaking any labor laws by forming a voluntary association.
chimeracoder 9y ago
> You can't strike without a union This is absolutely, completely false. Both legally and practically.
- smt88 9y ago
  Small groups who can identify and contact each other can strike without a union. Uber drivers can't because Uber is the only party who can identify all of them. Furthermore, scabs might sign up without even knowing they're scabs, or drivers might refuse to strike. There would have to be some legal/organizational mechanism to force all current drivers to strike.
  - anigbrowl 9y ago
    I'm sure that information could be...acquired. After that it's just social engineering.
    - aarongolliver 9y ago
      I was in an uber to one of Microsoft's collegiate CTF's, and when my Uber driver realized that means I knew (the very basics of) computer security he begged me to hack Uber and get all the Seattle driver's emails so he could ask them to strike. He also tried to sell me on his cult. And told me to defend my servers all I needed was a fractal firewall that used the number Pi somewhere because if you use a number with (presumably) no pattern in it no one could ever touch you. I gave him 5 stars
      - anigbrowl 9y ago
        Wow. I often wonder how much creativity in our society goes untapped for lack accessible channels to filter and distill it. Thanks for seeing the potential value in his inchoate ideas rather than dismissing them for not being fully thought out. One a side note, quite a few leaderless cults are well worth joining - not the social kind but the ideational/experiential kind.

jrs95 9y ago

I think surge pricing would probably prevent that from happening in practice.

pgwhalen 9y ago
Yeah, unless you get the riders involved as well. Which is of course a lot tougher.
- norgie 9y ago
  If Uber prices increased because of fewer drivers, customers would probably also leave.