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What, exactly, are you insinuating? That parasites are driving Poles to cut down trees? If so, where's the evidence that this is the case?

dgregd 9y ago
European spruce bark beetle [1] infected a large number of trees. That's a fact. Foresters are obliged to protected the forest and do try to this by eliminating infected trees. The first such action was conducted 100 years ago. Some experts disagree with that method of stopping the beetle plague, and think that the forest should heal itself. Other experts don't want just to watch dying forest and try to do something. Hence the argument. Because experts are divided, this is a great opportunity to attack the government. Unfortunately there is no substantive discussion, even here on HN. Try to guess if current Polish government is left or right wing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_spruce_bark_beetle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_spruce_bark_beetle
- thraway23 9y ago
  Your argument is I think from their playbook. They claim the same with their constitution. We hear it is being violated. Government asserts there is in fact a debate amongst experts on whehter this really happens. Then we look into that and there indeed is a handful of professors arguing for the government versus whole faculties of law issuing condemnations together with every bar association and the judges. In this case I've heard that major opinion for the government was prepared by an forestry expert whose lifelong expertise is in chainsaw mechanics with no standing in biology community, whereas Nature regularly publishes alarmed letters from experts in actual ecology of outbreaks.
tabasz 9y ago
That's what the Ministry of Environment is claiming. This does not automatically make it true, but at least for me, it is a more reputable source than Guardian and European Commission which both attacked Polish government on numerous other occasions.
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- omginternets 9y ago
  >which both attacked Polish government on numerous other occasions. Prima facie, this does not reduce their credibility.

dgregd 9y ago

European spruce bark beetle [1] infected a large number of trees. That's a fact. Foresters are obliged to protected the forest and do try to this by eliminating infected trees. The first such action was conducted 100 years ago. Some experts disagree with that method of stopping the beetle plague, and think that the forest should heal itself. Other experts don't want just to watch dying forest and try to do something. Hence the argument. Because experts are divided, this is a great opportunity to attack the government. Unfortunately there is no substantive discussion, even here on HN. Try to guess if current Polish government is left or right wing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_spruce_bark_beetle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_spruce_bark_beetle

thraway23 9y ago
Your argument is I think from their playbook. They claim the same with their constitution. We hear it is being violated. Government asserts there is in fact a debate amongst experts on whehter this really happens. Then we look into that and there indeed is a handful of professors arguing for the government versus whole faculties of law issuing condemnations together with every bar association and the judges. In this case I've heard that major opinion for the government was prepared by an forestry expert whose lifelong expertise is in chainsaw mechanics with no standing in biology community, whereas Nature regularly publishes alarmed letters from experts in actual ecology of outbreaks.

tabasz 9y ago

That's what the Ministry of Environment is claiming. This does not automatically make it true, but at least for me, it is a more reputable source than Guardian and European Commission which both attacked Polish government on numerous other occasions.

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omginternets 9y ago
>which both attacked Polish government on numerous other occasions. Prima facie, this does not reduce their credibility.