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Hey, not the GP, but just glancing through the quiz - Question 3 focuses on the fact that Python passes things by reference to functions. This is definitely sp

Hey, not the GP, but just glancing through the quiz - Question 3 focuses on the fact that Python passes things by reference to functions. This is definitely specific to the two languages you guys use (as is your prerogative), but if you're expanding this for others, you should definitely explain that these focus on the JS and Python languages.

ammon 9y ago
Good point. I think that objects are passed by reference in a high enough % of language in common use (PHP and C++ are the two exceptions I can think of) that this is a fair question. But if enough people think it's bad, we'll remove it.
- macintux 9y ago
  Every functional programmer in the world is looking at you askance.
- marcosdumay 9y ago
  You got me on that too. A high enough % of the languages pass stuff by value (C/C++), copy on assignment (C++, D, I'm sure there are more), or do not have the concept of references or changes to start with (Prolog, Haskell). Anyway, if you want to bias it into Python, go for it. It's a fun quiz.
  - Bartweiss 9y ago
    Copy on assignment was what got me, and I didn't feel terribly bad for missing it. No harm done though, seeing as nothing was riding on the quiz.
rodovich 9y ago
Additionally, question 2 amounts to "what is the usage of python's queue class", question 4 requires knowing whether array indexes start at 0 or 1 in python, and question 8 amounts to "what is the usage of python's bytearray class".
- philh 9y ago
  I'm not sure that's fair about question 2. It's hard to say because I know python (but not the deque class), but none of the incorrect answers seem like they'd be correct in any sensible language. Like, whatever language you're using, you need to push the children of the current node on to the queue. Only one answer looks like it could reasonably do that.
  - Bartweiss 9y ago
    Yeah, agreed. Question 2 as asked demanded Python knowledge, but once you checked against the answers provided it seemed much clearer that 3 options were invalid.
freyr 9y ago
Also, strictly speaking, Python is not "pass by reference" as the term is used for other languages. It's more accurately "pass by object" or "pass by object reference." Somewhat of a pedantic distinction, and the quiz question is clear regardless. [1] http://robertheaton.com/2014/02/09/pythons-pass-by-object-reference-as-explained-by-philip-k-dick/ http://robertheaton.com/2014/02/09/pythons-pass-by-object-re... [2] http://foobarnbaz.com/2012/07/08/understanding-python-variables/ http://foobarnbaz.com/2012/07/08/understanding-python-variab... [3] https://jeffknupp.com/blog/2012/11/13/is-python-callbyvalue-or-callbyreference-neither/ https://jeffknupp.com/blog/2012/11/13/is-python-callbyvalue-...

ammon 9y ago

Good point. I think that objects are passed by reference in a high enough % of language in common use (PHP and C++ are the two exceptions I can think of) that this is a fair question. But if enough people think it's bad, we'll remove it.

macintux 9y ago
Every functional programmer in the world is looking at you askance.
marcosdumay 9y ago
You got me on that too. A high enough % of the languages pass stuff by value (C/C++), copy on assignment (C++, D, I'm sure there are more), or do not have the concept of references or changes to start with (Prolog, Haskell). Anyway, if you want to bias it into Python, go for it. It's a fun quiz.
- Bartweiss 9y ago
  Copy on assignment was what got me, and I didn't feel terribly bad for missing it. No harm done though, seeing as nothing was riding on the quiz.

rodovich 9y ago

Additionally, question 2 amounts to "what is the usage of python's queue class", question 4 requires knowing whether array indexes start at 0 or 1 in python, and question 8 amounts to "what is the usage of python's bytearray class".

philh 9y ago
I'm not sure that's fair about question 2. It's hard to say because I know python (but not the deque class), but none of the incorrect answers seem like they'd be correct in any sensible language. Like, whatever language you're using, you need to push the children of the current node on to the queue. Only one answer looks like it could reasonably do that.
- Bartweiss 9y ago
  Yeah, agreed. Question 2 as asked demanded Python knowledge, but once you checked against the answers provided it seemed much clearer that 3 options were invalid.

freyr 9y ago

Also, strictly speaking, Python is not "pass by reference" as the term is used for other languages. It's more accurately "pass by object" or "pass by object reference." Somewhat of a pedantic distinction, and the quiz question is clear regardless. [1] http://robertheaton.com/2014/02/09/pythons-pass-by-object-reference-as-explained-by-philip-k-dick/ http://robertheaton.com/2014/02/09/pythons-pass-by-object-re... [2] http://foobarnbaz.com/2012/07/08/understanding-python-variables/ http://foobarnbaz.com/2012/07/08/understanding-python-variab... [3] https://jeffknupp.com/blog/2012/11/13/is-python-callbyvalue-or-callbyreference-neither/ https://jeffknupp.com/blog/2012/11/13/is-python-callbyvalue-...