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Here's a text-based article, "How hundreds of miles of lost UK cycleways from the 1930s have been rediscovered using Google Street View" http://www.dailymail.c

Here's a text-based article, "How hundreds of miles of lost UK cycleways from the 1930s have been rediscovered using Google Street View" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4487592/Lost-UK-cycleways-Google-Street-View.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4487592/Lost-...

mirimir 9y ago
This provides much better information!
- deleted 9y ago
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swampthinker 9y ago
The Daily Mail providing better information than the BBC, I never would've guess it.
- falsedan 9y ago
  BBC news quality has an extremely sharp cut-off for anything outside of the M25
  - crdoconnor 9y ago
    These days it's basically just a British RT for everything inside the M25 too: http://i.imgur.com/puUAKrc.jpg http://i.imgur.com/puUAKrc.jpg
    - simonh 9y ago
      My mother is a true believing Daily Mail reader, to her the BBC might as well be the TV branch of Socialist Worker, so it depends where you're coming from.
    - kitd 9y ago
      To be fair, that's just Kuenssberg. Plenty of more leftie stuff too.
- kristianc 9y ago
  Much as I detest its politics, the Mail is the most visited English-language newspaper site in the world, to be fair.
  - algesten 9y ago
    Yes, and gangnam style is the most viewed youtube clip ever. Daily mail is not bad because of politics but because it's exploitative, sensationalist, devoid of empathy and does absolutely _anything_ to get a click/view/reader. It stands for nothing, there are no standards, nothing is too low and no story too sensitive to bulldoze.
    - xyzzy_plugh 9y ago
      Are you suggesting that Gangnam style is anything but catchy, entertaining, and brilliant satire? I don't think these two things are similar in the way I suspect you believe, other than that they are popular.
      - algesten 9y ago
        The point I was making was that popularity does not equal quality. This doesn't mean I think gangnam style is particularly bad, but is it the best? I think very little can be gaged from the amount of views something gets on the internet, be it the daily mail or gangnam style.
        nqzero 9y ago
        gangnam style is a deeply insightful (though i don't know myself if it is accurate) critique of korean culture. it's not necessarily popular because it's insightful, but definitely a bad analogy in your case
    - zeristor 9y ago
      My Dad always used to point out that it was the only paper that campaigned for Stephen Lawrence to bring to light institutional racism in the Met Police. Not a minor issue by any means, absurdly here's a link to the Guardian write up on it. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/jan/04/stephen-lawrence-parents-daily-mail https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/jan/04/stephen-lawren...
- PJDK 9y ago
  For all it's many faults their policy of long descriptive headlines followed by bullet point summaries is a model I wish all news sites followed! Given their success I'm not sure why more don't.
  - IshKebab 9y ago
    And photos large enough to actually see. Very sad that the Daily Mail is leading the way here.
    - logicallee 9y ago
      Perhaps real information is harder to source than fake info, and real news is too scant to benefit from that format. Also why papers bury the lead. (To make you read their hard work.) As an exercise go to the BBC and edit the first three articles you find into that format - you will see why they don't want to do it.
      - TeMPOraL 9y ago
        I.e. the interests of the readers are in conflict with interests of the paper. Frankly, if they want to bury the lede to make me read their hard work, then I'll gladly not read the article at all, unless forced to (rare these days).
  - visarga 9y ago
    > For all it's many faults their policy of long descriptive headlines followed by bullet point summaries is a model I wish all news sites followed! Thanks to this ML can use it as a summarization dataset.
  - exodust 9y ago
    I hate bullet point summaries in news stories, they're distracting and add clutter. They should at least be hidden and only viewable when clicked.
- OJFord 9y ago
  What's wrong with the submission, content-wise? Is everyone just mad that it was originally broadcast on the radio instead of published in a newspaper?
  - mixedCase 9y ago
    Do I have to be mad to prefer text over audio when trying to get the news on a computer?
    - OJFord 9y ago
      I'm not saying it's a mad preference, but I don't think it's reasonable to be mad that radio-broadcast content was later published online for your convenience, but not transcribed for you.
      - Kluny 9y ago
        Sometimes when people say "mad" they mean crazy. That's usually what brits mean. Other times, "mad" means angry. That's usually what Americans means. However, based on the context of my parent and grandparent comments, I have no idea what either of them meant, and I don't think they do either. It's late at night though.
        dmix 9y ago
        The good thing about having no pretension (or feigning class) is that you can focus purely on user functionality over some preconceived ideas of what a newspaper should be. As much as it's obvious that DailyMail is low brow, and personally not being from the UK, I have still found myself on a number of occasions spending time on the site and getting lost in various random articles. They've certainly done a good job with the site. Mastering how to tease stories and communicate the juicy bits. Likewise you could praise the Nazi's for their warfighting ability even if their cause is detestable :p
        falsedan 9y ago
din-9 9y ago
The Mail article of course ripped off as usual; check the timestamps against the Guardian article posted earlier that same day. edit: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/may/09/how-80-forgotten-1930s-cycleways-could-transform-uk-cycling https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/may/0...
- sbuk 9y ago
  No fan of any news papers and certainly will never understand the slavish devotion to the Guardian as a paragon of truth that exists. I'm also not about to defend the Daily Mail, but what's to say that both weren't independently working on similar articles and the Guardian managed to publish first? Why is the default that they were ripped off? Also, stop reading newspapers! They all lie and pedal fake news, the 'Guardian' included.
molf 9y ago
I was very confused while looking at the images, this one in particular: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/~/article-4487592/index.html#i-4fc4ca2330e35a8 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/~/article-4487592/index.html#i-4f... "They [the cycleways] were rediscovered by a historian using Google Street View" It is hard for me to image this to be anything else but a cycle lane. As a Dutch person, it is hilarious to me that it takes a historian to identify them. For comparison, this is what a cycle lane looks like in the Netherlands (and they are absolutely everywhere): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Vrijliggend_fietspad.JPG https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Vrijligg... "At the time, the Ministry of Transport was working on plans to create a Dutch-inspired cycleways all over the country"
- notdang 9y ago
  Never been to Netherlands. By looking at the cycle lane I cannot understand where people walk.
  - Freak_NL 9y ago
    That is just a (rural) road without footpaths. Outside of the town limits pedestrians tend to share the space with the bicycles. Such roads aren't frequented by many pedestrians in any case because they cover larger distances that most Dutch would use a bicycle, car, or public transport for. This is what a shared road within town limits can look like: http://www.fietsberaad.nl/library/repository/ontwerpvoorbeelden/Albatrosstraat_1.png http://www.fietsberaad.nl/library/repository/ontwerpvoorbeel...

mirimir 9y ago

This provides much better information!

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swampthinker 9y ago

The Daily Mail providing better information than the BBC, I never would've guess it.

falsedan 9y ago
BBC news quality has an extremely sharp cut-off for anything outside of the M25
- crdoconnor 9y ago
  These days it's basically just a British RT for everything inside the M25 too: http://i.imgur.com/puUAKrc.jpg http://i.imgur.com/puUAKrc.jpg
  - simonh 9y ago
    My mother is a true believing Daily Mail reader, to her the BBC might as well be the TV branch of Socialist Worker, so it depends where you're coming from.
  - kitd 9y ago
    To be fair, that's just Kuenssberg. Plenty of more leftie stuff too.
kristianc 9y ago
Much as I detest its politics, the Mail is the most visited English-language newspaper site in the world, to be fair.
- algesten 9y ago
  Yes, and gangnam style is the most viewed youtube clip ever. Daily mail is not bad because of politics but because it's exploitative, sensationalist, devoid of empathy and does absolutely _anything_ to get a click/view/reader. It stands for nothing, there are no standards, nothing is too low and no story too sensitive to bulldoze.
  - xyzzy_plugh 9y ago
    Are you suggesting that Gangnam style is anything but catchy, entertaining, and brilliant satire? I don't think these two things are similar in the way I suspect you believe, other than that they are popular.
    - algesten 9y ago
      The point I was making was that popularity does not equal quality. This doesn't mean I think gangnam style is particularly bad, but is it the best? I think very little can be gaged from the amount of views something gets on the internet, be it the daily mail or gangnam style.
      - nqzero 9y ago
        gangnam style is a deeply insightful (though i don't know myself if it is accurate) critique of korean culture. it's not necessarily popular because it's insightful, but definitely a bad analogy in your case
  - zeristor 9y ago
    My Dad always used to point out that it was the only paper that campaigned for Stephen Lawrence to bring to light institutional racism in the Met Police. Not a minor issue by any means, absurdly here's a link to the Guardian write up on it. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/jan/04/stephen-lawrence-parents-daily-mail https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/jan/04/stephen-lawren...
PJDK 9y ago
For all it's many faults their policy of long descriptive headlines followed by bullet point summaries is a model I wish all news sites followed! Given their success I'm not sure why more don't.
- IshKebab 9y ago
  And photos large enough to actually see. Very sad that the Daily Mail is leading the way here.
  - logicallee 9y ago
    Perhaps real information is harder to source than fake info, and real news is too scant to benefit from that format. Also why papers bury the lead. (To make you read their hard work.) As an exercise go to the BBC and edit the first three articles you find into that format - you will see why they don't want to do it.
    - TeMPOraL 9y ago
      I.e. the interests of the readers are in conflict with interests of the paper. Frankly, if they want to bury the lede to make me read their hard work, then I'll gladly not read the article at all, unless forced to (rare these days).
- visarga 9y ago
  > For all it's many faults their policy of long descriptive headlines followed by bullet point summaries is a model I wish all news sites followed! Thanks to this ML can use it as a summarization dataset.
- exodust 9y ago
  I hate bullet point summaries in news stories, they're distracting and add clutter. They should at least be hidden and only viewable when clicked.
OJFord 9y ago
What's wrong with the submission, content-wise? Is everyone just mad that it was originally broadcast on the radio instead of published in a newspaper?
- mixedCase 9y ago
  Do I have to be mad to prefer text over audio when trying to get the news on a computer?
  - OJFord 9y ago
    I'm not saying it's a mad preference, but I don't think it's reasonable to be mad that radio-broadcast content was later published online for your convenience, but not transcribed for you.
    - Kluny 9y ago
      Sometimes when people say "mad" they mean crazy. That's usually what brits mean. Other times, "mad" means angry. That's usually what Americans means. However, based on the context of my parent and grandparent comments, I have no idea what either of them meant, and I don't think they do either. It's late at night though.
      - dmix 9y ago
        The good thing about having no pretension (or feigning class) is that you can focus purely on user functionality over some preconceived ideas of what a newspaper should be. As much as it's obvious that DailyMail is low brow, and personally not being from the UK, I have still found myself on a number of occasions spending time on the site and getting lost in various random articles. They've certainly done a good job with the site. Mastering how to tease stories and communicate the juicy bits. Likewise you could praise the Nazi's for their warfighting ability even if their cause is detestable :p
        falsedan 9y ago

din-9 9y ago

The Mail article of course ripped off as usual; check the timestamps against the Guardian article posted earlier that same day. edit: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/may/09/how-80-forgotten-1930s-cycleways-could-transform-uk-cycling https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/may/0...

sbuk 9y ago
No fan of any news papers and certainly will never understand the slavish devotion to the Guardian as a paragon of truth that exists. I'm also not about to defend the Daily Mail, but what's to say that both weren't independently working on similar articles and the Guardian managed to publish first? Why is the default that they were ripped off? Also, stop reading newspapers! They all lie and pedal fake news, the 'Guardian' included.

molf 9y ago

I was very confused while looking at the images, this one in particular: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/~/article-4487592/index.html#i-4fc4ca2330e35a8 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/~/article-4487592/index.html#i-4f... "They [the cycleways] were rediscovered by a historian using Google Street View" It is hard for me to image this to be anything else but a cycle lane. As a Dutch person, it is hilarious to me that it takes a historian to identify them. For comparison, this is what a cycle lane looks like in the Netherlands (and they are absolutely everywhere): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Vrijliggend_fietspad.JPG https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Vrijligg... "At the time, the Ministry of Transport was working on plans to create a Dutch-inspired cycleways all over the country"

notdang 9y ago
Never been to Netherlands. By looking at the cycle lane I cannot understand where people walk.
- Freak_NL 9y ago
  That is just a (rural) road without footpaths. Outside of the town limits pedestrians tend to share the space with the bicycles. Such roads aren't frequented by many pedestrians in any case because they cover larger distances that most Dutch would use a bicycle, car, or public transport for. This is what a shared road within town limits can look like: http://www.fietsberaad.nl/library/repository/ontwerpvoorbeelden/Albatrosstraat_1.png http://www.fietsberaad.nl/library/repository/ontwerpvoorbeel...