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I do not understand the dislike this community harbors for AMP. I personally really enjoy the system; whenever I'm searching for any type of article on my phone

I do not understand the dislike this community harbors for AMP. I personally really enjoy the system; whenever I'm searching for any type of article on my phone (Android), I prefer AMP pages, because they load faster and are far more responsive than some of their more bloated counterparts.

tyingq 9y ago
Google did offer a carrot to go with the stick, yes. Those eating the carrots don't yet see the stick.
MBCook 9y ago
The fact that you say android explains everything to me. I'm sure Google made sure it was a decent experience on their operating system. But it's clear they didn't give two seconds thought to iOS, and haven't bothered to improve it since it was released. It really does make google search feel broken. Many of the top results no longer "work right". Ignoring all the other issues of who is in control and whether it's a walled garden and all that other stuff… On iOS it's a terrible user experience. That ALONE would make me hate it.
- izacus 9y ago
  Well now you know how most of those web pages felt on Android before - web devs tested on mobile Safari and left pages broken and utterly stuttery on Android web browser.
  - foobarbazetc 9y ago
    That's because Chrome on Android sucked.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      Android Browser wasn't Chrome on Android.
    - izacus 9y ago
      And now Safari sucks according to Gruber complaints. Feels great doesn't it? :) If anyone gave a shit about Chrome for Android before, AMP might not be necessary.
- whyagaindavid 9y ago
  Why do you expect Google provide a good experience in iOS? Heck I can't even connect to my Apple calendar in Android. Does Apple care? Is there a apple mail app for Android? AMP is fine in all browsers except Safari. AMP is great for browsing with 100£ cheap phone when I was in Thailand.
MBCook 9y ago
The fact that you say android explains everything to me. I'm sure Google made sure it was a decent experience on their operating system. But it's clear they didn't give two seconds thought to iOS, and haven't bothered to improve it since it was released. It really does make google search feel broken. Many of the top results no longer "work right". Ignoring all the other issues of who is in control and whether it's a walled garden and all that other stuff… On iOS it's a terrible user experience. That ALONE would make me hate it.
Semaphor 9y ago
I'd like it if people made non crappy websites instead of amp sites that have slightly different behavior than normal websites. Amp adds nothing of value compared to just writing a non bloated site
brainfire 9y ago
This community has a lot of web developers in it. Your browser is their computer.
pathorn 9y ago
It's not just about responsiveness. About half of the AMP pages I open on Safari on iOS literally do not scroll at all, instead scrolling the top bar with the fake URL on it, so as a user AMP is literally breaking the web. I think the frustration here is seeing the decay of the open web and the rise of AOL-esque walled gardens in which your Facebooks and your Googles own the access methods, and every other third party is subordinate to them. These guys at Google are abusing the web in order to prevent you from navigating away from google hosted content (I'm a technical user and it still took me way too long to find that menu in the corner), in much the same way that Facebook apps make it hard to escape their respective walled gardens.
megablast 9y ago
I guess you could read and try to understand, or just ignore it and act confused why people don't agree with it.
kuschku 9y ago
This community hates AMP the cache, AMP the centrally controlled place for all news which Google can easily manipulate or censor if a totalitarian government should ask them to, the AMP that gives pages an advantage in search results only if they let all their content go through Google. No one's complaining about AMP the web framework — which is the part responsible for the performance and responsiveness.

tyingq 9y ago

Google did offer a carrot to go with the stick, yes. Those eating the carrots don't yet see the stick.

MBCook 9y ago

The fact that you say android explains everything to me. I'm sure Google made sure it was a decent experience on their operating system. But it's clear they didn't give two seconds thought to iOS, and haven't bothered to improve it since it was released. It really does make google search feel broken. Many of the top results no longer "work right". Ignoring all the other issues of who is in control and whether it's a walled garden and all that other stuff… On iOS it's a terrible user experience. That ALONE would make me hate it.

izacus 9y ago
Well now you know how most of those web pages felt on Android before - web devs tested on mobile Safari and left pages broken and utterly stuttery on Android web browser.
- foobarbazetc 9y ago
  That's because Chrome on Android sucked.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    Android Browser wasn't Chrome on Android.
  - izacus 9y ago
    And now Safari sucks according to Gruber complaints. Feels great doesn't it? :) If anyone gave a shit about Chrome for Android before, AMP might not be necessary.
whyagaindavid 9y ago
Why do you expect Google provide a good experience in iOS? Heck I can't even connect to my Apple calendar in Android. Does Apple care? Is there a apple mail app for Android? AMP is fine in all browsers except Safari. AMP is great for browsing with 100£ cheap phone when I was in Thailand.

MBCook 9y ago

Semaphor 9y ago

I'd like it if people made non crappy websites instead of amp sites that have slightly different behavior than normal websites. Amp adds nothing of value compared to just writing a non bloated site

brainfire 9y ago

This community has a lot of web developers in it. Your browser is their computer.

pathorn 9y ago

It's not just about responsiveness. About half of the AMP pages I open on Safari on iOS literally do not scroll at all, instead scrolling the top bar with the fake URL on it, so as a user AMP is literally breaking the web. I think the frustration here is seeing the decay of the open web and the rise of AOL-esque walled gardens in which your Facebooks and your Googles own the access methods, and every other third party is subordinate to them. These guys at Google are abusing the web in order to prevent you from navigating away from google hosted content (I'm a technical user and it still took me way too long to find that menu in the corner), in much the same way that Facebook apps make it hard to escape their respective walled gardens.

megablast 9y ago

I guess you could read and try to understand, or just ignore it and act confused why people don't agree with it.

kuschku 9y ago

This community hates AMP the cache, AMP the centrally controlled place for all news which Google can easily manipulate or censor if a totalitarian government should ask them to, the AMP that gives pages an advantage in search results only if they let all their content go through Google. No one's complaining about AMP the web framework — which is the part responsible for the performance and responsiveness.