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Pretty much, why is an "inexpensive" college over $12k a year, with community colleges charging upwards of $7k a year? Seems crazy that the minimum you can spen

Pretty much, why is an "inexpensive" college over $12k a year, with community colleges charging upwards of $7k a year? Seems crazy that the minimum you can spend on college is $40k, how is that accessible to the average person?

misingnoglic 9y ago
Financial aid, scholarships, and Federal loans (to an extent) help a lot for sure.
tw04 9y ago
Well, when you consider the average car price in the US was $33k in 2016, it doesn't seem that unreasonable.
- HarryHirsch 9y ago
  Average car or average new car?
- notimetorelax 9y ago
  I doubt that students: 1. Have money to buy a new car 2. Can buy a new car every year
  - labster 9y ago
    They could buy a new car every year if they give up avocados. But you know college kids, they're all high on guac.
    - chillwaves 9y ago
      While that comment is ridiculous, I live where the cost of avocado spread on toast is around $6 after tax and a cup of coffee is around $4-5 after tax. The point is not entirely without merit. This is a major city but not like SF or somewhere crazy.
    - quickben 9y ago
      That was a story that I found outrageous. I recall my distant relative and another few of my friends got a house here in Toronto when they were 1/4 - 1/3 of what they are now. All while their salary being maybe 10% less. And then the older generation starts lecturing us... Completely disconnected with the current reality.
      - randomdata 9y ago
        Of course, the houses were cheap back then because it was a petty undesirable place to be. Incremental change tends to be less noticeable if you see it every day, but as someone who visits Toronto just a handful of times per year it blows me away how much the city has changed in even just the last 10 years. Once old and run down neighbourhoods that I wouldn't ever want to live in are now highly desirable places to be. While I'm a bit too young to have much perspective on the situation 20-30 years ago, from what I've learned from those who lived in those neighbourhoods back then, it was even sadder and even scary to live there. I am surprised they were only 1/4 of what they are now.
        astrodust 9y ago
        > Once old and run down neighbourhoods that I wouldn't ever want to live in are now highly desirable places to be. There's never really been "scary" places to live in Toronto apart from a few neighbourhoods and housing projects. The places that people describe as scary just have a lot more "character" than other parts. You'll see mentally ill people on the street, those with physical disabilities, those who are dirt poor. In other parts of the city they're swept away or ignored. What you're describing is gentrification. Gentrification has happened.
        randomdata 9y ago
        I'm going to have to disagree with you on your first point. A friend of mine purchased a house from in what is now a bustling tech community with all kinds of money around, but the past is still evident. There were bars on the windows. Visible damage to the home where someone tried to break in. Others who lived in the area in the past also echo similar sentiments of how it used to be. Of course those are just anecdotes, but the data confirms it. Crime rates have declined meaningfully over the years. Gentrification made these nice places to live, but the decline in crime is why they are less scary. Unless you are trying to imply that crime isn't scary?
    - y2kenny 9y ago
      Looks like were there some downvotes. I think folks missed the sarcasm and Australian news: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/15/australian-millionaire-millennials-avocado-toast-house https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/15/austral...
- StudentStuff 9y ago
  Yeah, unless my parents were in the top 2%, I doubt they'd be buying me a new car, let alone one near average cost. Instead, I get to use a value-free truck that I've welded back together! The joys of going to a commuter college. They did try to make it bikeable, by increasing parking costs and getting the county to reduce bus service. Oh, and the shower areas that UW/UWB/Seattle Colleges put into their new buildings to get LEED certified? Those are all locked up, cause screw bikers!
- astrodust 9y ago
  Car prices have basically doubled from that era, while tuition has gone up five fold or more. That's the problem. Don't talk average car prices, some people spend stupid amounts of money on luxury vehicles. Look at the easily accessible, low-cost options like Kia and Hyundai. Those are half that price.

misingnoglic 9y ago

Financial aid, scholarships, and Federal loans (to an extent) help a lot for sure.

tw04 9y ago

Well, when you consider the average car price in the US was $33k in 2016, it doesn't seem that unreasonable.

HarryHirsch 9y ago
Average car or average new car?
notimetorelax 9y ago
I doubt that students: 1. Have money to buy a new car 2. Can buy a new car every year
- labster 9y ago
  They could buy a new car every year if they give up avocados. But you know college kids, they're all high on guac.
  - chillwaves 9y ago
    While that comment is ridiculous, I live where the cost of avocado spread on toast is around $6 after tax and a cup of coffee is around $4-5 after tax. The point is not entirely without merit. This is a major city but not like SF or somewhere crazy.
  - quickben 9y ago
    That was a story that I found outrageous. I recall my distant relative and another few of my friends got a house here in Toronto when they were 1/4 - 1/3 of what they are now. All while their salary being maybe 10% less. And then the older generation starts lecturing us... Completely disconnected with the current reality.
    - randomdata 9y ago
      Of course, the houses were cheap back then because it was a petty undesirable place to be. Incremental change tends to be less noticeable if you see it every day, but as someone who visits Toronto just a handful of times per year it blows me away how much the city has changed in even just the last 10 years. Once old and run down neighbourhoods that I wouldn't ever want to live in are now highly desirable places to be. While I'm a bit too young to have much perspective on the situation 20-30 years ago, from what I've learned from those who lived in those neighbourhoods back then, it was even sadder and even scary to live there. I am surprised they were only 1/4 of what they are now.
      - astrodust 9y ago
        > Once old and run down neighbourhoods that I wouldn't ever want to live in are now highly desirable places to be. There's never really been "scary" places to live in Toronto apart from a few neighbourhoods and housing projects. The places that people describe as scary just have a lot more "character" than other parts. You'll see mentally ill people on the street, those with physical disabilities, those who are dirt poor. In other parts of the city they're swept away or ignored. What you're describing is gentrification. Gentrification has happened.
        randomdata 9y ago
        I'm going to have to disagree with you on your first point. A friend of mine purchased a house from in what is now a bustling tech community with all kinds of money around, but the past is still evident. There were bars on the windows. Visible damage to the home where someone tried to break in. Others who lived in the area in the past also echo similar sentiments of how it used to be. Of course those are just anecdotes, but the data confirms it. Crime rates have declined meaningfully over the years. Gentrification made these nice places to live, but the decline in crime is why they are less scary. Unless you are trying to imply that crime isn't scary?
  - y2kenny 9y ago
    Looks like were there some downvotes. I think folks missed the sarcasm and Australian news: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/15/australian-millionaire-millennials-avocado-toast-house https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/15/austral...
StudentStuff 9y ago
Yeah, unless my parents were in the top 2%, I doubt they'd be buying me a new car, let alone one near average cost. Instead, I get to use a value-free truck that I've welded back together! The joys of going to a commuter college. They did try to make it bikeable, by increasing parking costs and getting the county to reduce bus service. Oh, and the shower areas that UW/UWB/Seattle Colleges put into their new buildings to get LEED certified? Those are all locked up, cause screw bikers!
astrodust 9y ago
Car prices have basically doubled from that era, while tuition has gone up five fold or more. That's the problem. Don't talk average car prices, some people spend stupid amounts of money on luxury vehicles. Look at the easily accessible, low-cost options like Kia and Hyundai. Those are half that price.