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You forgot oil changes in you calc. Also your $8.70 is only $4.19 in Washington :). Costs are dropping on EVs and will continue to drop as economy of scale pic
by vvanders 9y ago
You forgot oil changes in you calc. Also your $8.70 is only $4.19 in Washington :).
Costs are dropping on EVs and will continue to drop as economy of scale picks up. They may not make sense today but there's a good chance they will tomorrow.
- YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 9y ago>You forgot oil changes in you calc. Are you, perhaps, being sarcastic with your comment? Anyway, there are few countries (if any) on Earth where EVs make financial sense for an average person. Their time will come, but buying into it now is not investing – indeed, as the GP commented, you do it for altogether different reasons.
- cmrdporcupine 9y agoNo, he's not being sarcastic. Are you? EVs don't require oil changes. Or muffler/exhaust service. Or transmission service. And their brakes last longer.
- YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 9y agoAre you non-sarcastically implying that an oil change presents as a major expenditure in owning and using an ICE vehicle? If so, I get it.. you don't own a car; which begs the question of why are we discussing this?
- vvanders 9y agoYup and if you want to make a true comparison find a 500hp car(that will probably run on premium, get ~25mpg and use synthetic oil). That's what our 85D is. Did I break even? No, but with prices coming down it'll happen.
- YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 9y ago>Did I break even? Well down-vote me to make it up.
- vvanders 9y agoHere ya go then: http://teslapedia.org/model-s/tesla-driver/total-cost-of-ownership-tesla-model-s-vs-ice-car/ http://teslapedia.org/model-s/tesla-driver/total-cost-of-own... No, I didn't break even because I came from a '03 beater that I'd been driving for the last 15 years. The thing is, if no one buys EVs there won't be sustained demand. I don't mind spending a bit more on my end to make sure the industry moves forward(I believe they call that voting with your money).
- vvanders 9y agoSmall nit: The cooling system still requires service, however it's only every 50k miles and runs about $800. That said last time I broke down my per-mile costs new tires at $1k every 40k was my highest cost by far.
- chrismcb 9y agoDon't forget battery replacement... Our the environmentalist coast to build a battery
- cmrdporcupine 9y agoA properly designed EV (Tesla and GM, not Nissan, Kia or VW) has a properly designed cooling and battery maintenance system, and shouldn't need battery replacement for a _long_ time.
- eanzenberg 9y ago100,000 miles changing oil every 3,000 miles at $30 a pop is ~$1000 so yes, within consideration.
- YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 9y ago>changing oil every 3,000 miles What? I mean, what? Whatever you want, I guess.
- reportingsjr 9y agoMultiple people where I work change the oil in their cars at this rate. I explained that you can go further with more modern oils, especially synthetic, to no avail. I think you'd be surprised at how much people spend on car maintenance.
- chrisseaton 9y agoIn the UK people are told to change their oil once a year or 10k miles. If you do it every 3k miles in the US, which of us is doing it wrong? Either we're damaging our cars or you're wasting money and oil. They're the same cars doing the same distance, and parts of the US are similar climates.
- stupidhn 9y ago>Either we're damaging our cars or you're wasting money and oil. The latter. Most manufacturers recommend 10,000 miles now, some as high as 15,000 (Jaguar, known for being unreliable): https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/tips-advice/stop-changing-your-oil.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/tips-advice/stop-changing-y... Being as how manufacturers have to cover the warranty issues that could be related to lack of oil changes, I go with what they recommend.
- chrisseaton 9y agoI think the UK we don't even have the same 'lube shops' that you do. The dealerships change your oil at the yearly service. It's a whole industry that you have that seems to be entirely redundant!
- darrylb42 9y agoInteresting. In Vancouver in CDN$ $5.15-$7.72 to charge and $25.80@1.369 per liter to fill up. https://www.bchydro.com/accounts-billing/rates-energy-use/electricity-rates/residential-rates.html https://www.bchydro.com/accounts-billing/rates-energy-use/el...
- vvanders 9y agoYup, hydro is awesome for cheap renewable electricity.
- dugditches 9y agoTry to tell that to an Ontarian.
- randomdata 9y agoThe hydroelectric generation is cheap in Ontario, but not overly abundant. The majority of the power in the province comes from much more costly nuclear sources.
- YZF 9y agoAnd you get to go in the HOV lanes as well!
- Neliquat 9y agoUntil they get popular.
- mtgx 9y agoMaintenance costs are about 1/3 of ICE cars, too.