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WikiLeaks and Assange are heading for a pretty mixed historical reputation right now -- WikiLeaks really needs to either get, or publish, some damaging dumps on

WikiLeaks and Assange are heading for a pretty mixed historical reputation right now -- WikiLeaks really needs to either get, or publish, some damaging dumps on conservative/right-wing candidates or else it's going to be remembered as just another partisan outlet focusing solely on opposition scandals.

jakeogh 9y ago
Remember that time Sarah Palin had to release her personal email acct? All that shady stuff, Spirit Cooking, $65k on 'hotdogs'? No? It's pretty telling when the people on the other side demand that their 'opposition' 'must be' just as bad.
- pavlov 9y ago
  Wow, you're talking about Pizzagate. Are you serious or trolling? Please don't spread that junk. You may think it's a joke, but some people will believe even obvious nonsense if you keep repeating it. Back in December, a man drove to Washington to "self-investigate" with a gun: https://www.google.fi/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/25/comet-ping-pong-alex-jones https://www.google.fi/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017... Alex Jones has apologized for spreading this story. Don't be worse than him.
  - jakeogh 9y ago
    "wow" I'm taking about stuff you could easily source. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893 https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1223066_re-get-ready-for-chicago-hot-dog-friday-.html https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1223066_re-get-ready-f... How many times did the Clinton's visit that island? Bernie people: Please read Skippy's email.
    - pavlov 9y ago
      Do you have any idea who Marina Abramovic is? This stuff is insane.
      - jakeogh 9y ago
        Yes. I agree. One only has to look into history a bit. https://i.redd.it/5nuf25zglpvx.jpg https://i.redd.it/5nuf25zglpvx.jpg How about that island?
        pavlov 9y ago
        That picture is presumably from her piece The Artist is Present [1] at the MoMA in 2010, where any visitor could sit opposite her. Any visitor. AT THE FUCKING MOMA. How many pictures of her do you think were taken? The links you posted didn't have anything about an island, so if you want me to do your googling for you, please be more precise. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Abramović#The_Artist_Is_Present:_March.C2.A0.E2.80.93_May_2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Abramović#The_Artist_Is...
        jakeogh 9y ago
        Any visitor, of course. Sounds like you know who that visitor is. The island is Little St. James.
        pavlov 9y ago
        I don't know who is the person in the picture you posted. And how am I supposed to find out when you just post random pictures with no context? What are you trying to accomplish with all these bizarre hints ("sounds like you know...")? Do you think I'm part of some conspiracy?
        jakeogh 9y ago
        I don't think you are part of some conspiracy. The vagueness is because you seem to hold a strong opinion on this subject and I wanted to know if you were aware of the basics. The 'sounds like you know' is because I incorrectly assumed you swearing about that pic meant you knew who that is. It's a totally reasonable reaction. That's Anthony Weiner (former congressman). Joe Biden knows him well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdCuDF4u5Yg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdCuDF4u5Yg
- ubernostrum 9y ago
  With the kind of scrutiny that comes from a mass dump of internal communications, yes, everyone is "just as bad". Regardless of whether he ever actually said it, remember the quote attributed to Richelieu. Even an honest person's email can be spun to make them look like the greatest villain of history. Or if you prefer the modern reality-show metaphor: everyone has a "loser edit" lurking in their private data. WikiLeaks basically only publishes "leaks" of people Assange personally dislikes/opposes. That's the definition of a partisan outlet, no matter how much you may dislike it.
Hydraulix989 9y ago
Really? I don't see the slant.
- salvar 9y ago
  Selling anti-Clinton merchandise doesn't seem very unbiased to me: http://www.salon.com/2016/10/14/bill-clinton-bimbo-poll-wikileaks-merchandise-shows-the-websites-real-bias/ http://www.salon.com/2016/10/14/bill-clinton-bimbo-poll-wiki...
  - sergers 9y ago
    Podesta/Clinton were specifically going after Assange(and WikiLeaks)... The whole reason he was seeking asylum. Assange himself admitted it was payback,
    - salvar 9y ago
      Not questioning that, but doesn't it kind of destroy the notion of Wikileaks being unbiased when it came to the US elections? "This is payback because she's coming after me, but otherwise we disseminate information in a fair and balanced way" doesn't seem plausible to me.
  - crdoconnor 9y ago
    This was bad: "Can't we just drone strike this guy?" -- Clinton, on Assange Clearly selling t-shirts is worse though.
    - ascorbic 9y ago
      Poor taste maybe, but clearly a joke. Unless you think she was suggesting a drone strike on central London.
      - crdoconnor 9y ago
        No, but I think she was suggesting assassination in what she considered to be a light-hearted manner.
torrent-of-ions 9y ago
What if there aren't any? Or what if they just don't get leaked due to lack of whistleblowers or better security? You can't say Wikileaks has an agenda because it only receives certain type of leaks.
belorn 9y ago
The leaker went to The Washington Post when they had some damaging audio tapes on the conservative. There were clearly no need to go through Wikileaks. The DNC leak on the other hand were not published by the Washington Post, and I recall how the top voted article here on HN during that day said that Washington Post had been pulling articles off their site and it was only until very late on the day that they allowed any word about the incident. But its a bit ironic to complain about a lack of leaks about the conservatives in an article about Chelsea Manning. President George W. Bush was a conservative president and the leak provided by manning through Wikileaks was criticizing the war that Bush ran. We would not be here talking if Wikileaks did not publish dumps on conservative.
k-mcgrady 9y ago
As long as the information is real why should a slant matter? I'll never understand the 'my guy did something but I bet yours did too' attitude.

jakeogh 9y ago

Remember that time Sarah Palin had to release her personal email acct? All that shady stuff, Spirit Cooking, $65k on 'hotdogs'? No? It's pretty telling when the people on the other side demand that their 'opposition' 'must be' just as bad.

pavlov 9y ago
Wow, you're talking about Pizzagate. Are you serious or trolling? Please don't spread that junk. You may think it's a joke, but some people will believe even obvious nonsense if you keep repeating it. Back in December, a man drove to Washington to "self-investigate" with a gun: https://www.google.fi/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/25/comet-ping-pong-alex-jones https://www.google.fi/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017... Alex Jones has apologized for spreading this story. Don't be worse than him.
- jakeogh 9y ago
  "wow" I'm taking about stuff you could easily source. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893 https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1223066_re-get-ready-for-chicago-hot-dog-friday-.html https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1223066_re-get-ready-f... How many times did the Clinton's visit that island? Bernie people: Please read Skippy's email.
  - pavlov 9y ago
    Do you have any idea who Marina Abramovic is? This stuff is insane.
    - jakeogh 9y ago
      Yes. I agree. One only has to look into history a bit. https://i.redd.it/5nuf25zglpvx.jpg https://i.redd.it/5nuf25zglpvx.jpg How about that island?
      - pavlov 9y ago
        That picture is presumably from her piece The Artist is Present [1] at the MoMA in 2010, where any visitor could sit opposite her. Any visitor. AT THE FUCKING MOMA. How many pictures of her do you think were taken? The links you posted didn't have anything about an island, so if you want me to do your googling for you, please be more precise. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Abramović#The_Artist_Is_Present:_March.C2.A0.E2.80.93_May_2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Abramović#The_Artist_Is...
        jakeogh 9y ago
        Any visitor, of course. Sounds like you know who that visitor is. The island is Little St. James.
        pavlov 9y ago
        I don't know who is the person in the picture you posted. And how am I supposed to find out when you just post random pictures with no context? What are you trying to accomplish with all these bizarre hints ("sounds like you know...")? Do you think I'm part of some conspiracy?
        jakeogh 9y ago
        I don't think you are part of some conspiracy. The vagueness is because you seem to hold a strong opinion on this subject and I wanted to know if you were aware of the basics. The 'sounds like you know' is because I incorrectly assumed you swearing about that pic meant you knew who that is. It's a totally reasonable reaction. That's Anthony Weiner (former congressman). Joe Biden knows him well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdCuDF4u5Yg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdCuDF4u5Yg
ubernostrum 9y ago
With the kind of scrutiny that comes from a mass dump of internal communications, yes, everyone is "just as bad". Regardless of whether he ever actually said it, remember the quote attributed to Richelieu. Even an honest person's email can be spun to make them look like the greatest villain of history. Or if you prefer the modern reality-show metaphor: everyone has a "loser edit" lurking in their private data. WikiLeaks basically only publishes "leaks" of people Assange personally dislikes/opposes. That's the definition of a partisan outlet, no matter how much you may dislike it.

Hydraulix989 9y ago

Really? I don't see the slant.

salvar 9y ago
Selling anti-Clinton merchandise doesn't seem very unbiased to me: http://www.salon.com/2016/10/14/bill-clinton-bimbo-poll-wikileaks-merchandise-shows-the-websites-real-bias/ http://www.salon.com/2016/10/14/bill-clinton-bimbo-poll-wiki...
- sergers 9y ago
  Podesta/Clinton were specifically going after Assange(and WikiLeaks)... The whole reason he was seeking asylum. Assange himself admitted it was payback,
  - salvar 9y ago
    Not questioning that, but doesn't it kind of destroy the notion of Wikileaks being unbiased when it came to the US elections? "This is payback because she's coming after me, but otherwise we disseminate information in a fair and balanced way" doesn't seem plausible to me.
- crdoconnor 9y ago
  This was bad: "Can't we just drone strike this guy?" -- Clinton, on Assange Clearly selling t-shirts is worse though.
  - ascorbic 9y ago
    Poor taste maybe, but clearly a joke. Unless you think she was suggesting a drone strike on central London.
    - crdoconnor 9y ago
      No, but I think she was suggesting assassination in what she considered to be a light-hearted manner.

torrent-of-ions 9y ago

What if there aren't any? Or what if they just don't get leaked due to lack of whistleblowers or better security? You can't say Wikileaks has an agenda because it only receives certain type of leaks.

belorn 9y ago

The leaker went to The Washington Post when they had some damaging audio tapes on the conservative. There were clearly no need to go through Wikileaks. The DNC leak on the other hand were not published by the Washington Post, and I recall how the top voted article here on HN during that day said that Washington Post had been pulling articles off their site and it was only until very late on the day that they allowed any word about the incident. But its a bit ironic to complain about a lack of leaks about the conservatives in an article about Chelsea Manning. President George W. Bush was a conservative president and the leak provided by manning through Wikileaks was criticizing the war that Bush ran. We would not be here talking if Wikileaks did not publish dumps on conservative.

k-mcgrady 9y ago

As long as the information is real why should a slant matter? I'll never understand the 'my guy did something but I bet yours did too' attitude.