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Unfortunately this would mean such services are segregated by race, religion, culture, and location. It also leads to extreme abuses. In feudal times support w

by api 9y ago

Unfortunately this would mean such services are segregated by race, religion, culture, and location. It also leads to extreme abuses. In feudal times support was often available in exchange for a night with your wife, daughter, or child.

noobiemcfoob 9y ago
WAT!? Oh noes, in the feudal times, they had PRIMA NOCTA AND EVERYONE SUPPORTED IT!!! Yeah, there were abuses. Seems more then than there are now. Western Ethics have evolved and are now reflected in ALL of our institutions in some capacity or another. It's not your government protecting you from evil corporations. It's people. Always people who believe things. Change those beliefs and you change everything else.
- api 9y ago
  That's an extreme example. There are many less extreme ones. If you trust a self-selected random sampling of "people," I suggest that you participate in a jury trial... or just read some YouTube comments. Government assistance is subject to the rule of law. The rules are public, relatively objective, and codified. The rule of law as implemented by people is by no means perfect, but it's vastly superior to the rule of random emotionally-driven whim.
  - noobiemcfoob 9y ago
    You chose the example, not me. Governments are subject to the whims of the people as the modern US continues to show. It doesn't matter what fancy rules you have written in a dusty drawer, when people want something to happen, it happens. Though as an aggregate of what everyone involved wanted to happen. Our society follows those rules today largely because we were taught and learned to believe in them. As those rules fail, people will learn and believe in other things.
chimeracoder 9y ago
> Unfortunately this would mean such services are segregated by race, religion, culture, and location. These services are already segregated by race, religion, culture, and location - yes, even in Western European countries - both explicitly and implicitly. In fact, pretending that these problems don't exist and that the government effectively supports and protects all citizens equally is exactly how systemic racism, sexism, and bigotry persist and propagate.

by api 9y ago

noobiemcfoob 9y ago

WAT!? Oh noes, in the feudal times, they had PRIMA NOCTA AND EVERYONE SUPPORTED IT!!! Yeah, there were abuses. Seems more then than there are now. Western Ethics have evolved and are now reflected in ALL of our institutions in some capacity or another. It's not your government protecting you from evil corporations. It's people. Always people who believe things. Change those beliefs and you change everything else.

api 9y ago
That's an extreme example. There are many less extreme ones. If you trust a self-selected random sampling of "people," I suggest that you participate in a jury trial... or just read some YouTube comments. Government assistance is subject to the rule of law. The rules are public, relatively objective, and codified. The rule of law as implemented by people is by no means perfect, but it's vastly superior to the rule of random emotionally-driven whim.
- noobiemcfoob 9y ago
  You chose the example, not me. Governments are subject to the whims of the people as the modern US continues to show. It doesn't matter what fancy rules you have written in a dusty drawer, when people want something to happen, it happens. Though as an aggregate of what everyone involved wanted to happen. Our society follows those rules today largely because we were taught and learned to believe in them. As those rules fail, people will learn and believe in other things.

chimeracoder 9y ago

> Unfortunately this would mean such services are segregated by race, religion, culture, and location. These services are already segregated by race, religion, culture, and location - yes, even in Western European countries - both explicitly and implicitly. In fact, pretending that these problems don't exist and that the government effectively supports and protects all citizens equally is exactly how systemic racism, sexism, and bigotry persist and propagate.