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Link to the full injunction text: https://www.scribd.com/document/348409551/Waymo-Uber-Injunction#from_embed https://www.scribd.com/document/348409551/Waymo-Ube

by golfer 9y ago

Link to the full injunction text: https://www.scribd.com/document/348409551/Waymo-Uber-Injunction#from_embed https://www.scribd.com/document/348409551/Waymo-Uber-Injunct...

golfer 9y ago
Waymo is going to be able to inspect Uber's LIDAR and get additional expedited discovery: "Waymo is hereby granted further expedited discovery in aid of possible further provisional relief. Subject to the protective order, and upon reasonable notice, Waymo’s counsel and one expert may inspect any and all aspects of defendants’ ongoing work involving LiDAR — including, without limitation,schematics, work orders, source code, notes, and emails — whether or not said work resulted in any prototype or device. Withrespect to its trade secret misappropriation claims only, Waymo may take seven further depositions on seven calendar days notice, may propound 28 reasonably narrow document requests for which the response time is reduced to 14 calendar days, and may propound 28 reasonably narrow interrogatories for which theresponse time is also reduced to 14 calendar days. If Waymo moves for further provisional relief before trial, then all its declarants in support of such motion must sit for depositions on an expedited basis. Otherwise, defendants may take only normal, unexpedited discovery. After Waymo has exhausted its expedited discovery, it may continue with normal discovery."
- mabbo 9y ago
  Waymo is further granted the right to pull down the defendants' pants, and point and laugh at their genitals. I mean, seriously, they've just been granted a shit load of access to their biggest competitors secrets. Pray they don't abuse that...
  - dlgeek 9y ago
    Doesn't work that way. When they say "Waymo", they really mean "Waymo's attorney's and hired independent expert(s)". The attorney's get to see the stuff as "Attorney's Eyes Only" (AEO) and then report back summaries to their clients. They have an ethical obligation not to disclose the full details.
    - mabbo 9y ago
      Excellent point. My "pants down" joke, however, shall remain!
      - clint 9y ago
        Can you explain the joke?
        Gravityloss 9y ago
        Your comment was unexpected, and that actually made it fun. There's a theory about humor that it exists to expose wrong assumptions in a harmless way.
      - my_ghola 9y ago
        The lawyer can pull down the defendants' pants and point and laugh, then tell Waymo how funny it was.
    - AnimalMuppet 9y ago
      More: It's usually only outside counsel who gets to see that kind of stuff. Even corporate attorneys don't.
    - i_like_lamp 9y ago
      If Uber turns out to be innocent as they claim, can they then turn around and sue Waymo? The amount of information Waymo has gotten on a competitor through discovery seems highly prejudicial.
  - Fricken 9y ago
    The lawsuit isn't really about protecting trade secrets for some soon-to-be-obsolete lidar technology, that's just a convenient tool for punishing Levandowski and Uber for hatching this scheme.
dpiers 9y ago
"3 pages available to preview" Man I hate Scribd. Why does anyone use it? No, I do not want to download your app to read a PDF, and I don't understand why CNBC published it through your service.
- mixmastamyk 9y ago
  I don't want to sign up to read a document either, thanks.
  - mixmastamyk 9y ago
    Looking back on this, I meant download.
    - dlubarov 9y ago
      As long as the server sends "Content-Disposition: inline", the browser should use its own PDF renderer (unless it doesn't have one, but I think that's rare these days).
- bradleyjg 9y ago
  I don't get it either. CNBC has webservers and presumably some sort of in-house or external CDN. Why host on Scribd?
  - fudged71 9y ago
    Embedding
    - scott_karana 9y ago
      Haven't all modern browsers embedded PDFs natively for ages, now? Eg, Chrome in 2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_version_history Firefox in 2012 http://news.softpedia.com/news/PDF-JS-and-Download-Manager-Panel-Pushed-to-Firefox-15-267154.shtml http://news.softpedia.com/news/PDF-JS-and-Download-Manager-P...
kyrra 9y ago
DocumentCloud version (posted by Forbes): https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3720936-Unsealed-Order-on-Preliminary-Injunction-5-15-2017.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3720936-Unsealed-Ord...

by golfer 9y ago

Link to the full injunction text: https://www.scribd.com/document/348409551/Waymo-Uber-Injunction#from_embed https://www.scribd.com/document/348409551/Waymo-Uber-Injunct...

golfer 9y ago

Waymo is going to be able to inspect Uber's LIDAR and get additional expedited discovery: "Waymo is hereby granted further expedited discovery in aid of possible further provisional relief. Subject to the protective order, and upon reasonable notice, Waymo’s counsel and one expert may inspect any and all aspects of defendants’ ongoing work involving LiDAR — including, without limitation,schematics, work orders, source code, notes, and emails — whether or not said work resulted in any prototype or device. Withrespect to its trade secret misappropriation claims only, Waymo may take seven further depositions on seven calendar days notice, may propound 28 reasonably narrow document requests for which the response time is reduced to 14 calendar days, and may propound 28 reasonably narrow interrogatories for which theresponse time is also reduced to 14 calendar days. If Waymo moves for further provisional relief before trial, then all its declarants in support of such motion must sit for depositions on an expedited basis. Otherwise, defendants may take only normal, unexpedited discovery. After Waymo has exhausted its expedited discovery, it may continue with normal discovery."

mabbo 9y ago
Waymo is further granted the right to pull down the defendants' pants, and point and laugh at their genitals. I mean, seriously, they've just been granted a shit load of access to their biggest competitors secrets. Pray they don't abuse that...
- dlgeek 9y ago
  Doesn't work that way. When they say "Waymo", they really mean "Waymo's attorney's and hired independent expert(s)". The attorney's get to see the stuff as "Attorney's Eyes Only" (AEO) and then report back summaries to their clients. They have an ethical obligation not to disclose the full details.
  - mabbo 9y ago
    Excellent point. My "pants down" joke, however, shall remain!
    - clint 9y ago
      Can you explain the joke?
      - Gravityloss 9y ago
        Your comment was unexpected, and that actually made it fun. There's a theory about humor that it exists to expose wrong assumptions in a harmless way.
    - my_ghola 9y ago
      The lawyer can pull down the defendants' pants and point and laugh, then tell Waymo how funny it was.
  - AnimalMuppet 9y ago
    More: It's usually only outside counsel who gets to see that kind of stuff. Even corporate attorneys don't.
  - i_like_lamp 9y ago
    If Uber turns out to be innocent as they claim, can they then turn around and sue Waymo? The amount of information Waymo has gotten on a competitor through discovery seems highly prejudicial.
- Fricken 9y ago
  The lawsuit isn't really about protecting trade secrets for some soon-to-be-obsolete lidar technology, that's just a convenient tool for punishing Levandowski and Uber for hatching this scheme.

dpiers 9y ago

"3 pages available to preview" Man I hate Scribd. Why does anyone use it? No, I do not want to download your app to read a PDF, and I don't understand why CNBC published it through your service.

mixmastamyk 9y ago
I don't want to sign up to read a document either, thanks.
- mixmastamyk 9y ago
  Looking back on this, I meant download.
  - dlubarov 9y ago
    As long as the server sends "Content-Disposition: inline", the browser should use its own PDF renderer (unless it doesn't have one, but I think that's rare these days).
bradleyjg 9y ago
I don't get it either. CNBC has webservers and presumably some sort of in-house or external CDN. Why host on Scribd?
- fudged71 9y ago
  Embedding
  - scott_karana 9y ago
    Haven't all modern browsers embedded PDFs natively for ages, now? Eg, Chrome in 2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_version_history Firefox in 2012 http://news.softpedia.com/news/PDF-JS-and-Download-Manager-Panel-Pushed-to-Firefox-15-267154.shtml http://news.softpedia.com/news/PDF-JS-and-Download-Manager-P...

kyrra 9y ago

DocumentCloud version (posted by Forbes): https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3720936-Unsealed-Order-on-Preliminary-Injunction-5-15-2017.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3720936-Unsealed-Ord...