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Wait how would this stop a pilot doing what he did in the case of the Germanwings pilot suicide? Are you saying it came up during the investigation/coverage or

Wait how would this stop a pilot doing what he did in the case of the Germanwings pilot suicide? Are you saying it came up during the investigation/coverage or were you saying that it as fixed as a result of this.

piquadrat 9y ago
The "fix" for the issues that the Germanwings tragedy laid bare was a "2-person policy": if one of the pilots has to leave the cockpit, another member of the crew will take their place. But this introduced new problems, e.g. the time that the cockpit door needed to be open increased considerably, creating new opportunities for forcibly entering the cockpit. Many airlines are in the process of rolling back this policy. http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2017/04/30/two-person-cockpit-rule-abolished/ http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2017/04/30/two-person...
- FabHK 9y ago
  By way of background, US airlines apparently always had the 2-person policy (after 9/11). But the reason was, from what I understand, that one person had to get up to the door to look through a peephole to authenticate the pilot requesting access back in. European airlines, by contrast, had a monitor in view of the pilots, so they could authenticate visually from their seat. In the wake of the GermanWings tragedy, they were chastised for not having the 2-person policy, introduced it (partially under the pressure of media and the public, in my opinion, and because "you've gotta do someting!!!1!!"), and now, as this has faded from public attention, they revert to their original (entirely sensible) policy.
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coredog64 9y ago
In US carriers, if a pilot leaves the flight deck, someone else in the crew needs to enter the cockpit.
- alistairSH 9y ago
  How does that help? What will a flight attendant do if a pilot is hell-bent on flying into the ground? I'm not sure the second pilot could do much either.
  - SimbaOnSteroids 9y ago
    Open the door.
    - FabHK 9y ago
      Though a suicidal pilot can still bring the plane down, for example by repeatedly fully kicking the rudder back and forth at high speed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587
    - alistairSH 9y ago
      My point was that when the plane is pointed at the ground, that won't help.
      - jpollock 9y ago
        Pick up the fire axe that is also typically present in the cockpit and kill the person flying the plane. Then open the door.
        evan_ 9y ago
        seems like a potential suicidal pilot would have quite a chance to get the drop on the flight attendant...
      - marcosdumay 9y ago
        It takes a quite long time to get a big plane "pointed at the ground". It's also impossible to get a plane literally pointed at the ground without breaking it, and most planes can not maneuver enough to get there. In high altitudes, there's plenty of time to open the door, immobilize a rouge pilot and fix things.

piquadrat 9y ago

The "fix" for the issues that the Germanwings tragedy laid bare was a "2-person policy": if one of the pilots has to leave the cockpit, another member of the crew will take their place. But this introduced new problems, e.g. the time that the cockpit door needed to be open increased considerably, creating new opportunities for forcibly entering the cockpit. Many airlines are in the process of rolling back this policy. http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2017/04/30/two-person-cockpit-rule-abolished/ http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2017/04/30/two-person...

FabHK 9y ago
By way of background, US airlines apparently always had the 2-person policy (after 9/11). But the reason was, from what I understand, that one person had to get up to the door to look through a peephole to authenticate the pilot requesting access back in. European airlines, by contrast, had a monitor in view of the pilots, so they could authenticate visually from their seat. In the wake of the GermanWings tragedy, they were chastised for not having the 2-person policy, introduced it (partially under the pressure of media and the public, in my opinion, and because "you've gotta do someting!!!1!!"), and now, as this has faded from public attention, they revert to their original (entirely sensible) policy.

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coredog64 9y ago

In US carriers, if a pilot leaves the flight deck, someone else in the crew needs to enter the cockpit.

alistairSH 9y ago
How does that help? What will a flight attendant do if a pilot is hell-bent on flying into the ground? I'm not sure the second pilot could do much either.
- SimbaOnSteroids 9y ago
  Open the door.
  - FabHK 9y ago
    Though a suicidal pilot can still bring the plane down, for example by repeatedly fully kicking the rudder back and forth at high speed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587
  - alistairSH 9y ago
    My point was that when the plane is pointed at the ground, that won't help.
    - jpollock 9y ago
      Pick up the fire axe that is also typically present in the cockpit and kill the person flying the plane. Then open the door.
      - evan_ 9y ago
        seems like a potential suicidal pilot would have quite a chance to get the drop on the flight attendant...
    - marcosdumay 9y ago
      It takes a quite long time to get a big plane "pointed at the ground". It's also impossible to get a plane literally pointed at the ground without breaking it, and most planes can not maneuver enough to get there. In high altitudes, there's plenty of time to open the door, immobilize a rouge pilot and fix things.