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Why should I pay for things I don't need? Every other company offers upgrade paths but not Microsoft. Had I known earlier they don't care about small devs I wou

by msmm 9y ago

Why should I pay for things I don't need? Every other company offers upgrade paths but not Microsoft. Had I known earlier they don't care about small devs I would have bought something else.

olie 9y ago
> Why should I pay for things I don't need? You don't have to, but you are saying that you need to upgrade. > Every other company offers upgrade paths but not Microsoft. Many companies are moving to a SaaS model. Some, like Adobe and Autodesk, don't sell perpetual licenses at all. For engineering software you've always had to pay maintenance fees. > Had I known earlier they don't care about small devs I would have bought something else. Community edition is free for individuals and five licenses for small companies. I get that you're disappointed that you can't upgrade for a cheaper price, but the perpetual, or standalone, license isn't for people who need upgrades and it says so clearly on the page (which might not have been there when you purschased it though): "If all you need is the current version of Visual Studio Professional, you can make a one-time standalone license purchase. If you need new versions of Visual Studio Professional, access to Visual Studio Team Services, or have short-term needs then the Visual Studio Professional monthly subscription may be a better option." https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/pricing/ https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/pricing/
- msmm 9y ago
  Monthly subscription was not available for me in October. > but the perpetual, or standalone, license isn't for people who need upgrades This is endemic to Microsoft. Every other software I bought had discounted upgrade options. They also didn't say "hey we release new version in few months and will abandon this one and you will not be able to upgrade" Maybe I am spoiled by other companies. Microsoft is certainly not small business friendly. Their support also was pathetic. It took them couple of months to say I can't upgrade.
  - gruez 9y ago
    >They also didn't say "hey we release new version in few months and will abandon this one and you will not be able to upgrade" But preview builds for 2017 were available as early as march 2016, which comined with the prominent no upgrades included notice, should have told you the same thing.
    - msmm 9y ago
      I didn't see that. Was not aware of 2017 until it has been released.

by msmm 9y ago

Why should I pay for things I don't need? Every other company offers upgrade paths but not Microsoft. Had I known earlier they don't care about small devs I would have bought something else.

olie 9y ago

> Why should I pay for things I don't need? You don't have to, but you are saying that you need to upgrade. > Every other company offers upgrade paths but not Microsoft. Many companies are moving to a SaaS model. Some, like Adobe and Autodesk, don't sell perpetual licenses at all. For engineering software you've always had to pay maintenance fees. > Had I known earlier they don't care about small devs I would have bought something else. Community edition is free for individuals and five licenses for small companies. I get that you're disappointed that you can't upgrade for a cheaper price, but the perpetual, or standalone, license isn't for people who need upgrades and it says so clearly on the page (which might not have been there when you purschased it though): "If all you need is the current version of Visual Studio Professional, you can make a one-time standalone license purchase. If you need new versions of Visual Studio Professional, access to Visual Studio Team Services, or have short-term needs then the Visual Studio Professional monthly subscription may be a better option." https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/pricing/ https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/pricing/

msmm 9y ago
Monthly subscription was not available for me in October. > but the perpetual, or standalone, license isn't for people who need upgrades This is endemic to Microsoft. Every other software I bought had discounted upgrade options. They also didn't say "hey we release new version in few months and will abandon this one and you will not be able to upgrade" Maybe I am spoiled by other companies. Microsoft is certainly not small business friendly. Their support also was pathetic. It took them couple of months to say I can't upgrade.
- gruez 9y ago
  >They also didn't say "hey we release new version in few months and will abandon this one and you will not be able to upgrade" But preview builds for 2017 were available as early as march 2016, which comined with the prominent no upgrades included notice, should have told you the same thing.
  - msmm 9y ago
    I didn't see that. Was not aware of 2017 until it has been released.