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Its absurd people are outraged about something like this, relatively harmless and at the same time use Facebook. The social network has your face, all your life

by azm1 9y ago

Its absurd people are outraged about something like this, relatively harmless and at the same time use Facebook. The social network has your face, all your life, moods, expressions, interests,personal conversation etc. Now THAT is worrying and not some pizza shop which gathers stats to know what type of customer is their frequent visitor.

nkkollaw 9y ago
You're in control with Facebook. It's you who gives them the data. If this is true, it's all stuff that they're taking by stealth.
- e12e 9y ago
  I'm pretty sure my 300 friends have given fb more data about me, than I have. [ed: and that doesn't even interlude the tracking from "like"-buttons etc]
  - nkkollaw 9y ago
    Sure, but you can choose not to be on Facebook.
    - bigiain 9y ago
      You can't choose to not have a shadow profile tho...
    - e12e 9y ago
      How does that help? Fb will use facial recognition and track you in pictures, build up a friend-graph - and if they can - associate that profile with tracking data from "like"-buttons etc. You can choose not to use the Internet, or only use hardened devices over tor - but it's not exactly the same as "you can choose not to drink coca cola" (incidentally, it might be difficult in places to completely avoid products by the coca cola company, as opposed to just "coke, the coca cola soft drink"). Added to this, the network effect make fb hard to avoid - people use fb/messenger for a lot of communications, volunteer groups, political groups, education... You are free to argue it's I'll advised (and I agree). But wishful thinking alone does not mean "choosing not to use Facebook", might not include: missing social, educational and work opportunities.
    - bigbugbag 9y ago
      Which is not enough to not be on facebook or even preventing facebook from profiling you. I've chosen to not be on facebook and I've been shown an account in my name made by someone else, pictures where I'm tagged, public posts and comments mentioning me, private message mentioning me. This is the tip of the iceberg, I have not been shown the facial features facebook has associated to me, the "social graph" they have linked to me and countless other internal facebook stuff the general public is supposed to not know about.
- bigbugbag 9y ago
  I wonder where you get this idea, pretty much everything points to facebook being in control. Even when you have never registered with them you are profiled and tracked.
bigbugbag 9y ago
Though i disagree about this being harmless, I get your point about facebook which is way more intrusive and has its own controversial facial recognition running in the background on all pictures. But here's the thing, you can choose to not use facebook or deploy some kind of mitigating strategies for online surveillance[1]. On the other hand ublock origin is useless to protect you from meat space surveillance and tracking. Understand that surveillance in public space physical world is different from its online counterpart, that it is way harder to detect and counter and as such ought to draw a bigger outrage before it gets generalized. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Vc6oJ2qOM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Vc6oJ2qOM
ionised 9y ago
> Its absurd people are outraged about something like this, relatively harmless and at the same time use Facebook. What is absurd is there is someone like you in every privacy-related thread claiming that everyone who is outraged is also a Facebook user, or somehow is fine with what Facebook does.

by azm1 9y ago

nkkollaw 9y ago

You're in control with Facebook. It's you who gives them the data. If this is true, it's all stuff that they're taking by stealth.

e12e 9y ago
I'm pretty sure my 300 friends have given fb more data about me, than I have. [ed: and that doesn't even interlude the tracking from "like"-buttons etc]
- nkkollaw 9y ago
  Sure, but you can choose not to be on Facebook.
  - bigiain 9y ago
    You can't choose to not have a shadow profile tho...
  - e12e 9y ago
    How does that help? Fb will use facial recognition and track you in pictures, build up a friend-graph - and if they can - associate that profile with tracking data from "like"-buttons etc. You can choose not to use the Internet, or only use hardened devices over tor - but it's not exactly the same as "you can choose not to drink coca cola" (incidentally, it might be difficult in places to completely avoid products by the coca cola company, as opposed to just "coke, the coca cola soft drink"). Added to this, the network effect make fb hard to avoid - people use fb/messenger for a lot of communications, volunteer groups, political groups, education... You are free to argue it's I'll advised (and I agree). But wishful thinking alone does not mean "choosing not to use Facebook", might not include: missing social, educational and work opportunities.
  - bigbugbag 9y ago
    Which is not enough to not be on facebook or even preventing facebook from profiling you. I've chosen to not be on facebook and I've been shown an account in my name made by someone else, pictures where I'm tagged, public posts and comments mentioning me, private message mentioning me. This is the tip of the iceberg, I have not been shown the facial features facebook has associated to me, the "social graph" they have linked to me and countless other internal facebook stuff the general public is supposed to not know about.
bigbugbag 9y ago
I wonder where you get this idea, pretty much everything points to facebook being in control. Even when you have never registered with them you are profiled and tracked.

bigbugbag 9y ago

Though i disagree about this being harmless, I get your point about facebook which is way more intrusive and has its own controversial facial recognition running in the background on all pictures. But here's the thing, you can choose to not use facebook or deploy some kind of mitigating strategies for online surveillance[1]. On the other hand ublock origin is useless to protect you from meat space surveillance and tracking. Understand that surveillance in public space physical world is different from its online counterpart, that it is way harder to detect and counter and as such ought to draw a bigger outrage before it gets generalized. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Vc6oJ2qOM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Vc6oJ2qOM

ionised 9y ago

> Its absurd people are outraged about something like this, relatively harmless and at the same time use Facebook. What is absurd is there is someone like you in every privacy-related thread claiming that everyone who is outraged is also a Facebook user, or somehow is fine with what Facebook does.