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I think you are taking the word "hate" out of the context intended by Mr. Berners-Lee. He wasn't talking about hateful in terms of hateful of the status-quo.

by vivekd 9y ago

I think you are taking the word "hate" out of the context intended by Mr. Berners-Lee. He wasn't talking about hateful in terms of hateful of the status-quo. He was talking about hateful in terms of something like Mien Kampf. That's the sort of thing people mean when we talk about "hatred" in this context. I think we can progress just fine without Mien Kampf or that particular brand of hate. If a similar book with similar content was to be published today, I see no harm in suppressing it and I can think of no harm that be pointed out without resorting to the slippery slope fallacy. Would the world be a much worse place if the German authorities had censored Mien Kampf - I find such an argument difficult to swallow.

Neliquat 9y ago
Guessing you never read the book. Its not exactly full of hate.
- vivekd 9y ago
  I don't have to read Mien Kampf to know it's full of crap
thomastjeffery 9y ago
> I think you are taking the word "hate" out of the context intended by Mr. Berners-Lee. Definitely not. I did say they more often than not, hatred is the driving factor for positive change. I did not say "always". > He was talking about hateful in terms of something like Mien Kampf. Clearly the actions of the Nazi party or by Hitler were awful. Don't forget that Hitler was only a man. He had a hatred of the status quo, just like many of us do. His hatred was misguided and his actions were immoral, but they weren't from his perspective. > If a similar book with similar content was to be published today, I see no harm in suppressing it That is where you and I disagree. The harm in suppressing any information is that we chill the distribution of all information. > Would the world be a much worse place if the German authorities had censored Mien Kampf That is very unlikely. Mien Kampf was just a book. It was not Hitler, it was not a member of the Nazi party. I would argue that Germany would have been a worse place, sooner. Censorship chills speech, not hatred, not action. Hitler would still be free to spread his ideas, the Nazi party would still come to power, and they would still go on to burn Germany, books and people alike. If you want to prevent action that is based on hateful ideas, do it through education. Don't stifle wonder by breaking the very way it is shared.

by vivekd 9y ago

Neliquat 9y ago

Guessing you never read the book. Its not exactly full of hate.

vivekd 9y ago
I don't have to read Mien Kampf to know it's full of crap

thomastjeffery 9y ago

> I think you are taking the word "hate" out of the context intended by Mr. Berners-Lee. Definitely not. I did say they more often than not, hatred is the driving factor for positive change. I did not say "always". > He was talking about hateful in terms of something like Mien Kampf. Clearly the actions of the Nazi party or by Hitler were awful. Don't forget that Hitler was only a man. He had a hatred of the status quo, just like many of us do. His hatred was misguided and his actions were immoral, but they weren't from his perspective. > If a similar book with similar content was to be published today, I see no harm in suppressing it That is where you and I disagree. The harm in suppressing any information is that we chill the distribution of all information. > Would the world be a much worse place if the German authorities had censored Mien Kampf That is very unlikely. Mien Kampf was just a book. It was not Hitler, it was not a member of the Nazi party. I would argue that Germany would have been a worse place, sooner. Censorship chills speech, not hatred, not action. Hitler would still be free to spread his ideas, the Nazi party would still come to power, and they would still go on to burn Germany, books and people alike. If you want to prevent action that is based on hateful ideas, do it through education. Don't stifle wonder by breaking the very way it is shared.