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well, but the java folks at Oracle are all old Sun people and they are a lot different than Oracle-Oracle people.

by fs111 9y ago

grogenaut 9y ago
Are they really still there?
- haimez 9y ago
  Yes.
tw04 9y ago
The Java folks have no more control of corporate policy than the Solaris folks did. You're fooling yourself if you think they've got any control whatsoever. Did those Java folks also decide to start extorting customers? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java_users_non_compliance/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java... If the answer is yes - then they're no better than the Oracle folks they work for. If the answer is no, then they clearly have no say in what REALLY happens when it comes to Oracle's decision making.
- threeseed 9y ago
  How are they extorting customers ? They made their implementation of Java a commercial product and have been supporting OpenJDK for those that don't want to purchase it. They are are well within their right to sue companies who are illegally using a commercial product without a license. Just like Microsoft et al regularly sues companies who are pirating their software. And no the developers who are responsible for Java are not lawyers in their spare time.
- josefx 9y ago
  Oracle is suing companies that explicitly enable commercial features of its commercial JVM. Next up: Microsoft broke my "free" copy of Windows XP, are they evil? /s
  - ubernostrum 9y ago
    I don't have direct experience of this, but the general accusation I see is that companies hire Oracle to set up their systems, and Oracle's own people swear on a stack of bibles that the setup is in compliance, but behind the scenes they'll have enabled things that require more expensive licenses, and which Oracle knows are enabled and knows they can come back to shake you down for (sorry, "audit") later on.

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well, but the java folks at Oracle are all old Sun people and they are a lot different than Oracle-Oracle people.

by fs111 9y ago

well, but the java folks at Oracle are all old Sun people and they are a lot different than Oracle-Oracle people.

grogenaut 9y ago
Are they really still there?
- haimez 9y ago
  Yes.
tw04 9y ago
The Java folks have no more control of corporate policy than the Solaris folks did. You're fooling yourself if you think they've got any control whatsoever. Did those Java folks also decide to start extorting customers? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java_users_non_compliance/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java... If the answer is yes - then they're no better than the Oracle folks they work for. If the answer is no, then they clearly have no say in what REALLY happens when it comes to Oracle's decision making.
- threeseed 9y ago
  How are they extorting customers ? They made their implementation of Java a commercial product and have been supporting OpenJDK for those that don't want to purchase it. They are are well within their right to sue companies who are illegally using a commercial product without a license. Just like Microsoft et al regularly sues companies who are pirating their software. And no the developers who are responsible for Java are not lawyers in their spare time.
- josefx 9y ago
  Oracle is suing companies that explicitly enable commercial features of its commercial JVM. Next up: Microsoft broke my "free" copy of Windows XP, are they evil? /s
  - ubernostrum 9y ago
    I don't have direct experience of this, but the general accusation I see is that companies hire Oracle to set up their systems, and Oracle's own people swear on a stack of bibles that the setup is in compliance, but behind the scenes they'll have enabled things that require more expensive licenses, and which Oracle knows are enabled and knows they can come back to shake you down for (sorry, "audit") later on.