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> How can Oracle get to this point in the process without more buy in from the community? Not trying to be snarky, but you've never worked with Oracle, have yo
by tw04 10y ago
> How can Oracle get to this point in the process without more buy in from the community?
Not trying to be snarky, but you've never worked with Oracle, have you? Their modus operandi is to literally make whatever it is they want, then kick it out the door and tell everyone: look at what we did, deal with it. They have absolutely no idea how to collaborate. With partners or customers. They've had 20+ years of "our way or the highway". The house Larry built.
- fs111 10y agowell, but the java folks at Oracle are all old Sun people and they are a lot different than Oracle-Oracle people.
- grogenaut 10y agoAre they really still there?
- haimez 10y agoYes.
- tw04 10y agoThe Java folks have no more control of corporate policy than the Solaris folks did. You're fooling yourself if you think they've got any control whatsoever. Did those Java folks also decide to start extorting customers? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java_users_non_compliance/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java... If the answer is yes - then they're no better than the Oracle folks they work for. If the answer is no, then they clearly have no say in what REALLY happens when it comes to Oracle's decision making.
- threeseed 10y agoHow are they extorting customers ? They made their implementation of Java a commercial product and have been supporting OpenJDK for those that don't want to purchase it. They are are well within their right to sue companies who are illegally using a commercial product without a license. Just like Microsoft et al regularly sues companies who are pirating their software. And no the developers who are responsible for Java are not lawyers in their spare time.
- josefx 10y agoOracle is suing companies that explicitly enable commercial features of its commercial JVM. Next up: Microsoft broke my "free" copy of Windows XP, are they evil? /s
- ubernostrum 10y agoI don't have direct experience of this, but the general accusation I see is that companies hire Oracle to set up their systems, and Oracle's own people swear on a stack of bibles that the setup is in compliance, but behind the scenes they'll have enabled things that require more expensive licenses, and which Oracle knows are enabled and knows they can come back to shake you down for (sorry, "audit") later on.
- threeseed 10y agoStop talking nonsense. Oracle is a massive company. There are different groups with different cultures especially since many of them arrived through acquisitions. Including the Java team which came from Sun.
- Doradus 10y agoThis. I used to work at IBM, and I can't tell you how many different (mutually inconsistent) narratives about "how IBM is".