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This is what I want from Apple. Laptop: ultralights (MacBook. This can be all soldered), value (MBA, or even the old 13" MB unibody, somewhat upgradable), powe

This is what I want from Apple. Laptop: ultralights (MacBook. This can be all soldered), value (MBA, or even the old 13" MB unibody, somewhat upgradable), powerful (13"/15" MBP, ram and ssd upgradable with standard components) Desktop: all-in-one (slick design), value (smallish, somewhat upgradable), pro (flexible, upgradable) And the pro models really need some semblance of upgradability, especially desktop pro.

nadim 9y ago
In case anyone is actually reading this. 17mbp too please.
- lj3 9y ago
  This! I loved my old lunch tray.
- emptythought 9y ago
  I kept mine going for as long as i could until it was just blatantly too underpowered. I upgraded to the 15in retina(magsafe style, not the new one) and i'm still grumpy about the screen size downgrade. Where is the 4k 17in MBP? The old one was 1920x1200, it would be a perfectly obvious upgrade
- FullyFunctional 9y ago
  +1 My 2006 17" MBP is still used daily (Ironically I'm writing this on an XPS 15 running Fedora 25)
mrweasel 9y ago
I can understand why people want their Macs to be upgradable, but how is Apple suppose to profit from it? Apple is very much a hardware company, so why would they make a computer that can be upgraded with standard components. Customers would just buy the cheapest option and upgrade with third party stuff. Sure they are absolutely losing pro customers, but does that really matter when they have the iPhones and high-end laptops? It's only the very high-end professionals that aren't able to make due with an Apple product anymore.
- Retric 9y ago
  500$ profit from 10 million people beats 2000$ profit from 1 million people. Also, many people don't upgrade, but those who do often make recommendations for those who don't making them a valuable market segment. I actually was all set to buy a new MBP for around 3k, but the last round's market segmentation pissed me off. They always have one cheap reasonable option and then charge an arm and a leg after that. IMO, they would be better served aiming for a 35% profit margin on everything vs the ridiculous upgrade costs for high end they currently use. EX: 1TB PCIe-based SSD upgrade from 256GB + $564.00. When 1TB SSD's are running under 300$ and they are saving on the cost of a 256GB SSD. Think about it, if this was a removable drive you would not only save money getting a 3rd party SSD, but also end up with and extra 256GB drive. Which means they would still have a ~40% profit margin if it cost 300$ to upgrade.
  - mrweasel 9y ago
    Apple is perhaps the most profitable company in the world right now, and yet you believe that they've gotten their pricing model wrong? You could be right of cause, but it seems a little unlikely doesn't it?
    - Retric 9y ago
      There are huge short vs long term questions when it comes to profit. So, they might be maximizing profit over the next 3-5 years and I am very much an iPad and iPhone customer, but that does not mean their PRO line is optimized for long term profit.
- parasubvert 9y ago
  "It's only the very high-end professionals that aren't able to make due with an Apple product anymore." This really needs to be qualified, as there are plenty of high end pprofessionals still served well by Apple products. There's not a lot of choice in the high end for eg. Notebooks. The Surface Pro Performance Base comes close to the MacBook Pro, for example, but not a lot else on a balance of features. If I really need 32GB RAM (For example) I need to lug a back breaking brick from Razer , or deal with the Dell XPS 15 which can't be charged on an airplane.
XorNot 9y ago
User replaceable battery. Home, end, page up, page down, and the power button moved back to not being a keyboard key.
- mhermher 9y ago
  And forward delete please. I miss it whenever I'm undocked and using the built in.
  - tajen 9y ago
    Fn + Backspace. Not as easy but that's the answer.
    - mhermher 9y ago
      I know, I just get used to using the actual delete key when I'm using an external keyboard, so my muscle memory never kicks in fully to use fn+backspace.
      - astrodust 9y ago
        That's what external keyboards are for. I find the built-in style is fine for casual work, even typing documents, but for programming I love my delete key too much. On the mini keyboard I find myself using ⌘X in place of Fn-Delete, it's a one-handed thing that's more convenient. If you have nothing in your paste buffer that's important it works out well.
        XorNot 9y ago
        I have a laptop which has all these keys though, in a 15" form factor. There's no reason Apple can't put these keys in (and they used to) - they just don't want to.
        astrodust 9y ago
        For whatever reason, Apple prefers to make a single keyboard for their laptops, regardless of the size. Even the 17" had the same keyboard.

nadim 9y ago

In case anyone is actually reading this. 17mbp too please.

lj3 9y ago
This! I loved my old lunch tray.
emptythought 9y ago
I kept mine going for as long as i could until it was just blatantly too underpowered. I upgraded to the 15in retina(magsafe style, not the new one) and i'm still grumpy about the screen size downgrade. Where is the 4k 17in MBP? The old one was 1920x1200, it would be a perfectly obvious upgrade
FullyFunctional 9y ago
+1 My 2006 17" MBP is still used daily (Ironically I'm writing this on an XPS 15 running Fedora 25)

mrweasel 9y ago

I can understand why people want their Macs to be upgradable, but how is Apple suppose to profit from it? Apple is very much a hardware company, so why would they make a computer that can be upgraded with standard components. Customers would just buy the cheapest option and upgrade with third party stuff. Sure they are absolutely losing pro customers, but does that really matter when they have the iPhones and high-end laptops? It's only the very high-end professionals that aren't able to make due with an Apple product anymore.

Retric 9y ago
500$ profit from 10 million people beats 2000$ profit from 1 million people. Also, many people don't upgrade, but those who do often make recommendations for those who don't making them a valuable market segment. I actually was all set to buy a new MBP for around 3k, but the last round's market segmentation pissed me off. They always have one cheap reasonable option and then charge an arm and a leg after that. IMO, they would be better served aiming for a 35% profit margin on everything vs the ridiculous upgrade costs for high end they currently use. EX: 1TB PCIe-based SSD upgrade from 256GB + $564.00. When 1TB SSD's are running under 300$ and they are saving on the cost of a 256GB SSD. Think about it, if this was a removable drive you would not only save money getting a 3rd party SSD, but also end up with and extra 256GB drive. Which means they would still have a ~40% profit margin if it cost 300$ to upgrade.
- mrweasel 9y ago
  Apple is perhaps the most profitable company in the world right now, and yet you believe that they've gotten their pricing model wrong? You could be right of cause, but it seems a little unlikely doesn't it?
  - Retric 9y ago
    There are huge short vs long term questions when it comes to profit. So, they might be maximizing profit over the next 3-5 years and I am very much an iPad and iPhone customer, but that does not mean their PRO line is optimized for long term profit.
parasubvert 9y ago
"It's only the very high-end professionals that aren't able to make due with an Apple product anymore." This really needs to be qualified, as there are plenty of high end pprofessionals still served well by Apple products. There's not a lot of choice in the high end for eg. Notebooks. The Surface Pro Performance Base comes close to the MacBook Pro, for example, but not a lot else on a balance of features. If I really need 32GB RAM (For example) I need to lug a back breaking brick from Razer , or deal with the Dell XPS 15 which can't be charged on an airplane.

XorNot 9y ago

User replaceable battery. Home, end, page up, page down, and the power button moved back to not being a keyboard key.

mhermher 9y ago
And forward delete please. I miss it whenever I'm undocked and using the built in.
- tajen 9y ago
  Fn + Backspace. Not as easy but that's the answer.
  - mhermher 9y ago
    I know, I just get used to using the actual delete key when I'm using an external keyboard, so my muscle memory never kicks in fully to use fn+backspace.
    - astrodust 9y ago
      That's what external keyboards are for. I find the built-in style is fine for casual work, even typing documents, but for programming I love my delete key too much. On the mini keyboard I find myself using ⌘X in place of Fn-Delete, it's a one-handed thing that's more convenient. If you have nothing in your paste buffer that's important it works out well.
      - XorNot 9y ago
        I have a laptop which has all these keys though, in a 15" form factor. There's no reason Apple can't put these keys in (and they used to) - they just don't want to.
        astrodust 9y ago
        For whatever reason, Apple prefers to make a single keyboard for their laptops, regardless of the size. Even the 17" had the same keyboard.