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It's scary. People will vote for her in their millions, despite current Tory policy being much to the right of, and even less pleasant than, UKIP's 2015 manifes

It's scary. People will vote for her in their millions, despite current Tory policy being much to the right of, and even less pleasant than, UKIP's 2015 manifesto. Right wing nationalism has arrived.

tu7001 10y ago
You wrote that, as the nationalism being bad thing. Why is so?
teh_klev 10y ago
Possibly worse than you think: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/can-anybody-find-significant-difference-mays-policies-british-national-party-manifesto-2005/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/can-anybody-...
- harryf 10y ago
  Funny to think this the nation that once produced the Magna Carta ( https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/why-magna-carta-still-matters-today https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/why-magna-carta-still... )
_benedict 10y ago
I wouldn't rush to call right-wing nationalism "has arrived". The reason she will win a landslide is because she's the only credible-seeming candidate. As such, it's hard to equate her winning with an extreme shift in public attitudes. She would likely win without many of the stances we consider extreme, given the current political landscape. While I won't vote for her, I have to concede that the alternatives do not instil any greater confidence despite being vastly more ethically aligned with my views. i.e., she just happens to be a horrible person; she isn't winning because of it This is an important distinction, as we are (in my opinion) still a far cry from the abyss of divisiveness currently entrenched in American politics, and the best way to keep out of that abyss is not to demonise a majority of the country for this coming election's outcome.
- petercooper 10y ago
  "still a far cry from the abyss of divisiveness currently entrenched in American politics" I think we're in a worse position. Trump will, all being well, go away in 4 years. The results of Brexit will last for decades. Corbyn is dreadful in many ways, but ultimately I wonder who I could defend voting for to my future grandchildren. An inept and eccentric beardy socialist or a sly operator stoking up right wing nationalism? That choice is easier. May's "credibility" is hard to pin down. She changes her opinion often and shows herself to be a sly and shrewd political chameleon than someone with real convictions (other than for damaging civil liberties). Even where Corbyn's convictions get kooky, at least he seems to stick with and believe in them.
  - Ntrails 10y ago
    > Even where Corbyn's convictions get kooky, at least he seems to stick with and believe in them. You mean except where he (poorly) pretends to follow Labour policy and claims he will support things against his own beliefs... :p Brexit is a God Damned mess, but it won't get any better by allowing negotiations to be managed by a weak Government. I can see two likely scenarios right now: - Non-Tory coalition government, high levels of capitulation and a deal that is worse in every way that our pre brexit relationship. - Strong Tory government leads to a game of brinksmanship with the EU and eventual no deal hard crash out. It doesn't look great either way imho >_<
    - shawabawa3 10y ago
      I can't believe it. The strategy of repeating "Strong and stable" at every single opportunity actually works. Theresa may constantly u-turns and contradicts herself, but hey, she's strong and stable so we'll have a strong and stable brexit and become the greatest britain there ever was. If we somehow manage to get a non-tory coalition, we will very likely negotiation for remaining in the EEA (aka soft brexit) which will be much better than any kind of hard brexit, not to mention much cheaper
      - Ntrails 10y ago
hacker_9 10y ago
It's not scary, just look at the opposition. Corbyn is making up numbers to try and get a win with his completely false 'take from the rich, give to the poor' strategy, and then there's the Lib Dems who had their shot at power, and immediately went back on their promises and raised student loans through the roof.
- corney91 10y ago
  > then there's the Lib Dems who had their shot at power, and immediately went back on their promises and raised student loans through the roof. Does anybody (who can critically think) actually care about this? All political parties have made u-turns (for example, the current government changed their mind pretty damn quickly about the NI increase) and, at the end of the day, the Conservatives won a majority so it's their call. I swear the whole "Lib Dem" == "Tuition fee liers" is just a meme created by journalists to sell papers and distract people from real issues. Oh God, writing that out made me realise I sound like a bit of a conspiracy theorist...
  - noir_lord 10y ago
    Also the tuition thing was if they won outright not formed a coalition, so they literally didn't go back on their word. They also blunted a lot of what the conservatives wanted to do and fell on their own sword doing it. Country before Party and I'm not traditionally a Liberal Democrat fan, frankly they deserve some admiration. People forget too easily what the world was like back then, a massive financial crash and the banks looking very shaky.
    - corney91 10y ago
      > Also the tuition thing was if they won outright not formed a coalition, so they literally didn't go back on their word. Hate to disagree here, but it wasn't the manifesto plan of free tuition (which is what they'd do in power) that was the problem, they also signed a pledge to vote against any increase in fees which half of them didn't follow through with (being part of government): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_for_Students_pledge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_for_Students_pledge Agree with the rest of your comment though.

It's scary. People will vote for her in their millions, despite current Tory policy being much to the right of, and even less pleasant than, UKIP's 2015 manifesto. Right wing nationalism has arrived.

tu7001 10y ago

You wrote that, as the nationalism being bad thing. Why is so?

teh_klev 10y ago

Possibly worse than you think: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/can-anybody-find-significant-difference-mays-policies-british-national-party-manifesto-2005/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/can-anybody-...

harryf 10y ago
Funny to think this the nation that once produced the Magna Carta ( https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/why-magna-carta-still-matters-today https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/why-magna-carta-still... )

_benedict 10y ago

I wouldn't rush to call right-wing nationalism "has arrived". The reason she will win a landslide is because she's the only credible-seeming candidate. As such, it's hard to equate her winning with an extreme shift in public attitudes. She would likely win without many of the stances we consider extreme, given the current political landscape. While I won't vote for her, I have to concede that the alternatives do not instil any greater confidence despite being vastly more ethically aligned with my views. i.e., she just happens to be a horrible person; she isn't winning because of it This is an important distinction, as we are (in my opinion) still a far cry from the abyss of divisiveness currently entrenched in American politics, and the best way to keep out of that abyss is not to demonise a majority of the country for this coming election's outcome.

petercooper 10y ago
"still a far cry from the abyss of divisiveness currently entrenched in American politics" I think we're in a worse position. Trump will, all being well, go away in 4 years. The results of Brexit will last for decades. Corbyn is dreadful in many ways, but ultimately I wonder who I could defend voting for to my future grandchildren. An inept and eccentric beardy socialist or a sly operator stoking up right wing nationalism? That choice is easier. May's "credibility" is hard to pin down. She changes her opinion often and shows herself to be a sly and shrewd political chameleon than someone with real convictions (other than for damaging civil liberties). Even where Corbyn's convictions get kooky, at least he seems to stick with and believe in them.
- Ntrails 10y ago
  > Even where Corbyn's convictions get kooky, at least he seems to stick with and believe in them. You mean except where he (poorly) pretends to follow Labour policy and claims he will support things against his own beliefs... :p Brexit is a God Damned mess, but it won't get any better by allowing negotiations to be managed by a weak Government. I can see two likely scenarios right now: - Non-Tory coalition government, high levels of capitulation and a deal that is worse in every way that our pre brexit relationship. - Strong Tory government leads to a game of brinksmanship with the EU and eventual no deal hard crash out. It doesn't look great either way imho >_<
  - shawabawa3 10y ago
    I can't believe it. The strategy of repeating "Strong and stable" at every single opportunity actually works. Theresa may constantly u-turns and contradicts herself, but hey, she's strong and stable so we'll have a strong and stable brexit and become the greatest britain there ever was. If we somehow manage to get a non-tory coalition, we will very likely negotiation for remaining in the EEA (aka soft brexit) which will be much better than any kind of hard brexit, not to mention much cheaper
    - Ntrails 10y ago

hacker_9 10y ago

It's not scary, just look at the opposition. Corbyn is making up numbers to try and get a win with his completely false 'take from the rich, give to the poor' strategy, and then there's the Lib Dems who had their shot at power, and immediately went back on their promises and raised student loans through the roof.

corney91 10y ago
> then there's the Lib Dems who had their shot at power, and immediately went back on their promises and raised student loans through the roof. Does anybody (who can critically think) actually care about this? All political parties have made u-turns (for example, the current government changed their mind pretty damn quickly about the NI increase) and, at the end of the day, the Conservatives won a majority so it's their call. I swear the whole "Lib Dem" == "Tuition fee liers" is just a meme created by journalists to sell papers and distract people from real issues. Oh God, writing that out made me realise I sound like a bit of a conspiracy theorist...
- noir_lord 10y ago
  Also the tuition thing was if they won outright not formed a coalition, so they literally didn't go back on their word. They also blunted a lot of what the conservatives wanted to do and fell on their own sword doing it. Country before Party and I'm not traditionally a Liberal Democrat fan, frankly they deserve some admiration. People forget too easily what the world was like back then, a massive financial crash and the banks looking very shaky.
  - corney91 10y ago
    > Also the tuition thing was if they won outright not formed a coalition, so they literally didn't go back on their word. Hate to disagree here, but it wasn't the manifesto plan of free tuition (which is what they'd do in power) that was the problem, they also signed a pledge to vote against any increase in fees which half of them didn't follow through with (being part of government): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_for_Students_pledge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_for_Students_pledge Agree with the rest of your comment though.