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This will only get worse if Theresa May actually wins the vote / public approval to be PM. As Home Secretary she came up with fantastic ideas such as: * Let us

by vjvj 9y ago

This will only get worse if Theresa May actually wins the vote / public approval to be PM. As Home Secretary she came up with fantastic ideas such as: * Let us monitor every single call, email, text and website to catch terrorists and peadophiles (1) * Let us ban apps like Whatsapp and iMessage because terrorists might use them (2) * Let us use tax payer money for a fleet of vans to drive around areas with a high % of non Brits telling them to "go home". Which to be fair did result in 11 people leaving the country. (3) (1)http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/03/theresa-may-internet-snooping-gchq--ian-huntley-paedophiles_n_1398644.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/03/theresa-may-inter... (2) http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/investigatory-powers-bill-could-allow-government-to-ban-end-to-end-encryption-technology-powering-a6725311.html http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/new... (3) https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/31/go-home-vans-11-leave-britain https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/31/go-home-vans...

chippy 9y ago
Theresa May has been Prime Minister since June last year. She hasn't got the symbolic mandate of winning a general election (Cameron stepped down), but she's been in charge for almost a year.
- vjvj 9y ago
  Oops - of course! Corrected, thanks.
- deadbunny 9y ago
  Sure but she's still bound by Cameron's manifesto pledges, by triggering this election she can get her own mandate on her own terms.
  - libeclipse 9y ago
    She isn't bound legally by it.
    - deadbunny 9y ago
      Sure but look at the kickback over the self employed NIC increases from the budget.
- robjan 9y ago
  Yet. She's called a General Election while the only other party with a genuine chance of gaining seats are on its knees. Her party will win by a landslide this June.
  - richrichardsson 9y ago
    > Her party will win by a landslide this June. RIP NHS.
    - Fifer82 9y ago
      I would rather be slaughtered than vote for Conservative, but I have to say, the NHS is already dead. 1. My nephew is 15 months old, sick and has to take tablet form which is almost impossible. The liquid one is beyond the budget. 2. My mum is having big problems with her knee due to arthritis, it has been going on for 4 years, and all they do is treat the pain. So now she is on boxes of Tramadol, and this is creating all kinds of new problems. 3. My father in law has a poor heart and he has medication but what they have given him creates a list of side effects so long that he visits the GP atleast once a week. If he cuts himself, he is in Hospital. However, there are alternatives, but beyond the budget to be prescribed to him. This is my only experiences with the NHS and I don't think it is fit for purpose. The desire of the common person to scream "PROTECT OUR NHS" is feeding into the problems. Now they are even paying Recruitment Agencies huge sums of money to find people remotely qualified, and they are absolutely raking in the cash (I know someone off to Miami with work in August as a perk holiday for working the NHS account).
      - sangnoir 9y ago
        > Now they are even paying Recruitment Agencies huge sums of money to find people remotely qualified, and they are absolutely raking in the cash Now you know why the elite invested their own money into Brexit - Brexit is not just a pet ideology, it is an opportunity to make boatloads of money through privatization. While promoting a nationalist agenda, these well-heeled globalist gentleman will relocate to Monaco, Bahamas or some other sunny island at the first signs of Brexit failing. They will probably do so anyway even if it is a success. May things go well for you and your family.
petercooper 9y ago
It's scary. People will vote for her in their millions, despite current Tory policy being much to the right of, and even less pleasant than, UKIP's 2015 manifesto. Right wing nationalism has arrived.
- tu7001 9y ago
  You wrote that, as the nationalism being bad thing. Why is so?
- teh_klev 9y ago
  Possibly worse than you think: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/can-anybody-find-significant-difference-mays-policies-british-national-party-manifesto-2005/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/can-anybody-...
  - harryf 9y ago
    Funny to think this the nation that once produced the Magna Carta ( https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/why-magna-carta-still-matters-today https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/why-magna-carta-still... )
- _benedict 9y ago
  I wouldn't rush to call right-wing nationalism "has arrived". The reason she will win a landslide is because she's the only credible-seeming candidate. As such, it's hard to equate her winning with an extreme shift in public attitudes. She would likely win without many of the stances we consider extreme, given the current political landscape. While I won't vote for her, I have to concede that the alternatives do not instil any greater confidence despite being vastly more ethically aligned with my views. i.e., she just happens to be a horrible person; she isn't winning because of it This is an important distinction, as we are (in my opinion) still a far cry from the abyss of divisiveness currently entrenched in American politics, and the best way to keep out of that abyss is not to demonise a majority of the country for this coming election's outcome.
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hacker_9 9y ago
The thing is we have a bigger problem: Brexit. Despite the fatigue of it, we now need strong leadership to exit the EU. If the vote is split, that'll weaken our country in a much more substantial way than any internet monitoring.
- matthewmacleod 9y ago
  we now need strong leadership to exit the EU That's come up a lot, but in my opinion it's a meaningless soundbite. Domestic unity has essentially no impact on Brexit.
  - hacker_9 9y ago
    It does, because it means once the conservatives agree on something they have more sway to vote it in. And at this point in time I am tired of listening to Westminster fighting with itself, and making us as a whole look like a joke to the rest of the EU.
    - kogepathic 9y ago
      > and making us as a whole look like a joke to the rest of the EU. Have you read the leaked details of the meeting between May and Juncker? [0] [1] A lot of people on the continent already think May is a joke. What good does taking a "tough" stance do in negotiating with the EU? Sure, it looks good for the local electorate (especially as she's just called an election), but negotiations aren't about being "tough" they're about getting a good outcome for UK/EU citizens living in the respective countries (and a trade deal, if they ever get around to that). Comments like "bloody difficult" [2] also don't help things. To those of us on the continent, it seems that the UK has decided to go with the "bull in a china shop" strategy with May. The amount of animosity toward the EU coming from the UK is just stunning. We get it, you dislike the EU, hence why you voted to leave. But it seems like the UK government is intent to burn every last bridge with the EU through their rhetoric... [0] https://twitter.com/jeremycliffe/status/858810953353367552?lang=en https://twitter.com/jeremycliffe/status/858810953353367552?l... [1] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/theresa-may-jean-claude-juncker-angela-merkel-meeting-brexit-negotiations-speech-eu-summit-a7711206.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/theresa-may-j... [2] http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39784170 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39784170
petre 9y ago
What would you expect from a former Home Secretary?

by vjvj 9y ago

chippy 9y ago

Theresa May has been Prime Minister since June last year. She hasn't got the symbolic mandate of winning a general election (Cameron stepped down), but she's been in charge for almost a year.

vjvj 9y ago
Oops - of course! Corrected, thanks.
deadbunny 9y ago
Sure but she's still bound by Cameron's manifesto pledges, by triggering this election she can get her own mandate on her own terms.
- libeclipse 9y ago
  She isn't bound legally by it.
  - deadbunny 9y ago
    Sure but look at the kickback over the self employed NIC increases from the budget.
robjan 9y ago
Yet. She's called a General Election while the only other party with a genuine chance of gaining seats are on its knees. Her party will win by a landslide this June.
- richrichardsson 9y ago
  > Her party will win by a landslide this June. RIP NHS.
  - Fifer82 9y ago
    I would rather be slaughtered than vote for Conservative, but I have to say, the NHS is already dead. 1. My nephew is 15 months old, sick and has to take tablet form which is almost impossible. The liquid one is beyond the budget. 2. My mum is having big problems with her knee due to arthritis, it has been going on for 4 years, and all they do is treat the pain. So now she is on boxes of Tramadol, and this is creating all kinds of new problems. 3. My father in law has a poor heart and he has medication but what they have given him creates a list of side effects so long that he visits the GP atleast once a week. If he cuts himself, he is in Hospital. However, there are alternatives, but beyond the budget to be prescribed to him. This is my only experiences with the NHS and I don't think it is fit for purpose. The desire of the common person to scream "PROTECT OUR NHS" is feeding into the problems. Now they are even paying Recruitment Agencies huge sums of money to find people remotely qualified, and they are absolutely raking in the cash (I know someone off to Miami with work in August as a perk holiday for working the NHS account).
    - sangnoir 9y ago
      > Now they are even paying Recruitment Agencies huge sums of money to find people remotely qualified, and they are absolutely raking in the cash Now you know why the elite invested their own money into Brexit - Brexit is not just a pet ideology, it is an opportunity to make boatloads of money through privatization. While promoting a nationalist agenda, these well-heeled globalist gentleman will relocate to Monaco, Bahamas or some other sunny island at the first signs of Brexit failing. They will probably do so anyway even if it is a success. May things go well for you and your family.

petercooper 9y ago

It's scary. People will vote for her in their millions, despite current Tory policy being much to the right of, and even less pleasant than, UKIP's 2015 manifesto. Right wing nationalism has arrived.

tu7001 9y ago
You wrote that, as the nationalism being bad thing. Why is so?
teh_klev 9y ago
Possibly worse than you think: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/can-anybody-find-significant-difference-mays-policies-british-national-party-manifesto-2005/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/can-anybody-...
- harryf 9y ago
  Funny to think this the nation that once produced the Magna Carta ( https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/why-magna-carta-still-matters-today https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/why-magna-carta-still... )
_benedict 9y ago
I wouldn't rush to call right-wing nationalism "has arrived". The reason she will win a landslide is because she's the only credible-seeming candidate. As such, it's hard to equate her winning with an extreme shift in public attitudes. She would likely win without many of the stances we consider extreme, given the current political landscape. While I won't vote for her, I have to concede that the alternatives do not instil any greater confidence despite being vastly more ethically aligned with my views. i.e., she just happens to be a horrible person; she isn't winning because of it This is an important distinction, as we are (in my opinion) still a far cry from the abyss of divisiveness currently entrenched in American politics, and the best way to keep out of that abyss is not to demonise a majority of the country for this coming election's outcome.
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hacker_9 9y ago

The thing is we have a bigger problem: Brexit. Despite the fatigue of it, we now need strong leadership to exit the EU. If the vote is split, that'll weaken our country in a much more substantial way than any internet monitoring.

matthewmacleod 9y ago
we now need strong leadership to exit the EU That's come up a lot, but in my opinion it's a meaningless soundbite. Domestic unity has essentially no impact on Brexit.
- hacker_9 9y ago
  It does, because it means once the conservatives agree on something they have more sway to vote it in. And at this point in time I am tired of listening to Westminster fighting with itself, and making us as a whole look like a joke to the rest of the EU.
  - kogepathic 9y ago
    > and making us as a whole look like a joke to the rest of the EU. Have you read the leaked details of the meeting between May and Juncker? [0] [1] A lot of people on the continent already think May is a joke. What good does taking a "tough" stance do in negotiating with the EU? Sure, it looks good for the local electorate (especially as she's just called an election), but negotiations aren't about being "tough" they're about getting a good outcome for UK/EU citizens living in the respective countries (and a trade deal, if they ever get around to that). Comments like "bloody difficult" [2] also don't help things. To those of us on the continent, it seems that the UK has decided to go with the "bull in a china shop" strategy with May. The amount of animosity toward the EU coming from the UK is just stunning. We get it, you dislike the EU, hence why you voted to leave. But it seems like the UK government is intent to burn every last bridge with the EU through their rhetoric... [0] https://twitter.com/jeremycliffe/status/858810953353367552?lang=en https://twitter.com/jeremycliffe/status/858810953353367552?l... [1] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/theresa-may-jean-claude-juncker-angela-merkel-meeting-brexit-negotiations-speech-eu-summit-a7711206.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/theresa-may-j... [2] http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39784170 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39784170

petre 9y ago

What would you expect from a former Home Secretary?